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SCS said:
So they got no need for Hayward right? Jaylen Brown, Jae Crowder, Jackson or Tatum at 3, trade for Butler... :cool:
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I'm not confident at all. #3 is very likely in any trade for Butler. Crowder or Brown might be too, or Crowder just may need to be moved through other means to make things work for the salaries of Butler and Hayward.

And if the Celts are dreaming of challenging Cavs and Warriors, they can use as many high functioning wings as possible.

And (not particularly on your question), is there anything to prevent Celts and Bulls from holding onto a Butler trade until after Hayward signs (after having convinced Hayward that the trade is definitely real pending his signing) to give the Celts more financial ability to keep more of their role players?
 
IMO, Boston just handed the baton of Eastern conference dominance to Philly. They pretty much made sure Philly is the most stacked team(health permitting) in several years time when LeBron will either be gone to the West or will be starting to decline a bit(maybe?). The more I think about ti the more I hate it for Boston. Pretty much no matter what moves they do this summer, they can't compete with GSW and possibly CLE and they probably won't be able to compete with Philly in 2-3 years when their stars start gaining steam and enough experience. What a disaster of a trade.
 
stitches said:
IMO, Boston just handed the baton of Eastern conference dominance to Philly. They pretty much made sure Philly is the most stacked team(health permitting) in several years time when LeBron will either be gone to the West or will be starting to decline a bit(maybe?). The more I think about ti the more I hate it for Boston. Pretty much no matter what moves they do this summer, they can't compete with GSW and possibly CLE and they probably won't be able to compete with Philly in 2-3 years when their stars start gaining steam and enough experience. What a disaster of a trade.
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I don't quite see it this way. Sure this could play out as you say. It's a high risk game. But I think expecting Boston's stable of picks to produce a championship quality team just as GS is fading was always suspect. So much could go wrong. And so much could go wrong for Philly (there's no guarantee Fultz will be better than the #3 pick, for one). I think the there's something to be said for cashing in some of the chips now (and they still have many remaining) for at least a puncher's chance at the Eastern Conference championship and then a not non-existent chance against GS.
 
idiot said:
I don't quite see it this way. Sure this could play out as you say. It's a high risk game. But I think expecting Boston's stable of picks to produce a championship quality team just as GS is fading was always suspect. So much could go wrong. And so much could go wrong for Philly (there's no guarantee Fultz will be better than the #3 pick, for one). I think the there's something to be said for cashing in some of the chips now (and they still have many remaining) for at least a puncher's chance at the Eastern Conference championship and then a not non-existent chance against GS.
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As of right now they are not even cashing in their chips - they are breaking them into smaller and worse pieces. I assumed the best case scenario for them - i.e. they manage to acquire a Butler/PG13, they sign Hayward... and they still are not good enough now to compete with GSW, only they've sacrificed their best future asset for it.

And if they don't manage to strike a deal for Butler and/or don't get Hayward, they've sacrificed their best future asset for nothing... and all their small assets start depreciating in value, because they sit on the bench behind non-star vets(Bradley, Crowder, Olynyk).
 
Draftexpress has us taking lefty Dirty Dirk at 30. He's an intriguing prospect. Appears to be able to score in both the post and out on the perimeter. He has a mean streak and is incredibly young 19 years old.

Draftexpress has frank Jackson falling to #37. I'd hope that the jazz snatch him up at some point. His athleticism alone would make him out 2nd best PG behind Hill.
 
The Thriller said:
Draftexpress has us taking lefty Dirty Dirk at 30. He's an intriguing prospect. Appears to be able to score in both the post and out on the perimeter. He has a mean streak and is incredibly young 19 years old.

Draftexpress has frank Jackson falling to #37. I'd hope that the jazz snatch him up at some point. His athleticism alone would make him out 2nd best PG behind Hill.
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He is ****ing awful. Might be my least favorite prospect. He is a theoretical player more than almost anyone else. Can't shoot and is a worse athlete than he was being hyped as.
 
stitches said:
As of right now they are not even cashing in their chips - they are breaking them into smaller and worse pieces. I assumed the best case scenario for them - i.e. they manage to acquire a Butler/PG13, they sign Hayward... and they still are not good enough now to compete with GSW, only they've sacrificed their best future asset for it.

And if they don't manage to strike a deal for Butler and/or don't get Hayward, they've sacrificed their best future asset for nothing... and all their small assets start depreciating in value, because they sit on the bench behind non-star vets(Bradley, Crowder, Olynyk).
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I think they just have Tatum or Jackson at #1 on their big board, not Fultz. Aigne will look like a genius if he is right and an idiot if he is wrong (unless he gets the Lakers pick 2-5 next year, then I think it's a great deal even if Fultz is the better player than what they get this year).

I dont think it's that crazy. I think Tatum is a pretty underrated prospect. People have kind of pigeonholed him into being a high post isolation scorer and I think he is way more than that. I think you can argue that Tatum/Jackson both have more potential than Fultz partly due to the fact that big wings who can score 20+ are the most valuable players in the NBA.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I think they just have Tatum or Jackson at #1 on their big board, not Fultz. Aigne will look like a genius if he is right and an idiot if he is wrong (unless he gets the Lakers pick 2-5 next year, then I think it's a great deal even if Fultz is the better player than what they get this year).

I dont think it's that crazy. I think Tatum is a pretty underrated prospect. People have kind of pigeonholed him into being a high post isolation scorer and I think he is way more than that. I think you can argue that Tatum/Jackson both have more potential than Fultz partly due to the fact that big wings who can score 20+ are the most valuable players in the NBA.
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Where is the Tatum thing coming from? What i've heard as a rumor is that Ainge likes Josh Jackson at 3 not Tatum? BtW if Jackson doesn't develop a shot I can't see him ever being 20 ppg scorer.
 
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