Food for thought

[Tremendous Upside]

Has Danny Ainge become a cranky old man who's finally facing his mortality and doesn't care about the future anymore?

Instead, he wants to win whatever short term transaction battles he comes across to show his younger competitors that he's "still got it".

As a result, he's put together a team that doesn't make any sense as a whole and is sitting on a pile of assets that he sees as his greatest late-stage accomplishment - but doesn't want to consolidate them because that would be a risky long-term move and he's not interested in that. It's the game within a game that matters more to him now. The man was always ultra competitive.

(I'm kinda riffing on a recent brilliant post by Handgloten's Heroes.)

 

[Flc]

What? No.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

TU is honestly the worst (non troll) poster this board has ever seen.

 

[kabenac]

Did you forget about the cache of 1st round draft picks Ainge has supplied us with?

I believe his plan is for us to tank this season (top 6 pick no doubt - I would love one of those shooting guards in the top-10) - draft someone solid and as has been covered sign a star.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

What? No.

Ok then! Glad we got this cleared up. Dunno what got into me... I mean, it's obvious that the roster has been constructed in the most logical manner possible and Ainge has been very open and clear as to what the short and long term goals are for this team.

Thanks for a thoughtful, well argued reply!

 

[Tremendous Upside]

TU is honestly the worst (non troll) poster this board has ever seen.

Coming from you, that's a compliment!

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

He’s searching for bargains… but not really caring enough about fit. Maybe he ends up accumulating enough wins and talent that the fit matters less but right now it’s painfully obvious that fit is a problem.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Did you forget about the cache of 1st round draft picks Ainge has supplied us with?

Of course not. Read the post again. In my extremely hypothetical scenario that definitely has no connection to reality, stockpiling FRP's and then not even using them to actually improve this team in a logical way is the core of the problem.

I believe his plan is for us to tank this season (top 6 pick no doubt - I would love one of those shooting guards in the top-10) - draft someone solid and as has been covered sign a star.

Very possible. Not saying what I wrote is the truth. Most likely it's not. But for someone who keeps getting lauded for being some kind of behind-the-scenes mastermind of team building and trading, many of Ainge's decisions have been more than a little puzzling if we presume that the goal is to build a cohesive team.

 

[gomretat]

Current roster makes less sense than almost any Jazz roster I remember. And it didnt have to be that way.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

He’s searching for bargains… but not really caring enough about fit. Maybe he ends up accumulating enough wins and talent that the fit matters less but right now it’s painfully obvious that fit is a problem.

I dont think that is entirely true. He just isnt going to push in for mid.

 

[gomretat]

He’s searching for bargains… but not really caring enough about fit. Maybe he ends up accumulating enough wins and talent that the fit matters less but right now it’s painfully obvious that fit is a problem.

Agreed. DA is a blue light special kind of guy

 

[fishonjazz]

Patience. Rebuilds usually take time.

 

[HermanG]

DA is acquiring as many pieces as he can find on good value that fit around a heliocentric playmaking ball-hog superstar.

He has also collected 3 practice level ball hogs to develop those guys.
/sarcasm

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

Patience. Rebuilds usually take time.

especially when you're whiffing on 2/3 of the draft picks.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Patience. Rebuilds usually take time.

The silver lining of not being bad enough for a top 5 pick last year was everyone saying that at least it would be a short rebuild, and we'd be a decent team again soon, many thought that would be this season, even.

Now it's harder than ever to gauge where we really are as a team. It's a really bad roster outside of Lauri. I think we feel worse about the roster now than at any point last year.

 

[fishonjazz]

The silver lining of not being bad enough for a top 5 pick last year was everyone saying that at least it would be a short rebuild, and we'd be a decent team again soon, many thought that would be this season, even.

Now it's harder than ever to gauge where we really are as a team. It's a really bad roster outside of Lauri. I think we feel worse about the roster now than at any point last year.

Yep. We were wrong. Rebuilds usually take time.

 

[fishonjazz]

especially when you're whiffing on 2/3 of the draft picks.

Draft picks usually take time to show whether they were whiffs or not. We might have whiffed on all 3. Or all 3 might have been fantastic picks. And anything else between is possible. Just not enough time or data to make a solid evaluation.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Yep. We were wrong. Rebuilds usually take time.

Oh, I thought you were firmly in the camp of this team will be better, because teams like this tend to get better. I didn't know you had moved from your position so strongly after seven games.

But we do agree!

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Jazz tore down their previous roster and got assets for all their key players. Now they're rebuilding. I think the Jazz wanted a top 6 or 7 pick last year. They screwed up, won too many games, and ended up 9th. Expect the Jazz to add lottery picks this year and next, although next year the Jazz could also potentially get a lottery pick courtesy of Cleveland.

Jazz are being opportunistic. Their timeline isn't set yet and won't be until they see a strong core emerge. So far, I think they like Lauri and Keyonte. Everyone else is up in the air.

 

[HeatCheck]

Jazz tore down their previous roster and got assets for all their key players. Now they're rebuilding. I think the Jazz wanted a top 6 or 7 pick last year. They screwed up, won too many games, and ended up 9th. Expect the Jazz to add lottery picks this year and next, although next year the Jazz could also potentially get a lottery pick courtesy of Cleveland.

Jazz are being opportunistic. Their timeline isn't set yet and won't be until they see a strong core emerge. So far, I think they like Lauri and Keyonte. Everyone else is up in the air.

Finishing with the 9th pick instead of 6th to draft someone like Ausur may have *potentially* cost the Jazz a year on the rebuild.
I agree the Cleveland situation isn't looking too great for them (good for us though). The rumors about Donovan leaving won't go away. As good as Mobley looks on the defensive end he just looks way too mechanical offensively to be a #1 franchise type.