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Bawse Dawg said:
Oh, I thought you were firmly in the camp of this team will be better, because teams like this tend to get better. I didn't know you had moved from your position so strongly after seven games.

But we do agree!
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Ya in the post you quoted i said I was wrong. I thought we would make the playoffs this season.
Its just weird. Last year with basically the same roster we were trying to lose at the end of the season and beating teams like boston and the nuggets. We never ever got blown out. Now you basically take that same team that struggled to lose and never got blown out and add john collins and keyonte george to the rotation and we are suddenly the worst team in the league. I didn't see that one coming for sure.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
Ok then! Glad we got this cleared up. Dunno what got into me... I mean, it's obvious that the roster has been constructed in the most logical manner possible and Ainge has been very open and clear as to what the short and long term goals are for this team.

Thanks for a thoughtful, well argued reply!
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I didn't respond more extensively to your post because, scout's honor, it's one of the stupidest ****ing takes I've ever read on any board. I'm not sure if you were stoned, in the throws of a manic episode, or fresh off a recent hangout with Hotnickkk, but this is the Utah Jazz version of a Q-Anon Karen, and I wouldn't respond more seriously to her either.

So here's my response:

--Ainge was voted, by his peers, as the best front office executive in the league.
--He is hyper competitive.
--He has built two perennially competitive challenger teams from nothing.
--He cares more about the success of the team and the franchise than you do, because his name and reputation is attached to it.

Other than his draft picks, one of which appears to be a top five player in this draft and insisting on Lauri, Kessler and Ochai in his trades, he hasn't used any of his assets yet. The Jazz are the most asset-rich team in the entire league.

Stop being annoying and let the man cook.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
Has Danny Ainge become a cranky old man who's finally facing his mortality and doesn't care about the future anymore?

Instead, he wants to win whatever short term transaction battles he comes across to show his younger competitors that he's "still got it".

As a result, he's put together a team that doesn't make any sense as a whole and is sitting on a pile of assets that he sees as his greatest late-stage accomplishment - but doesn't want to consolidate them because that would be a risky long-term move and he's not interested in that. It's the game within a game that matters more to him now. The man was always ultra competitive.

(I'm kinda riffing on a recent brilliant post by Handgloten's Heroes.)
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Well I do have to wonder what in the love of God they’re really trying to accomplish this year. Seems like they’re playing us again with all the “no tank” back to compete talk when our only “win now” upgrade is a salary dump acquisition. I mean surely if the front office was sincere in their stated intentions they wouldn’t just be sitting on the war chest enjoying this clown show.
 
fishonjazz said:
Ya in the post you quoted i said I was wrong. I thought we would make the playoffs this season.
Its just weird. Last year with basically the same roster we were trying to lose at the end of the season and beating teams like boston and the nuggets. We never ever got blown out. Now you basically take that same team that struggled to lose and never got blown out and add john collins and keyonte george to the rotation and we are suddenly the worst team in the league. I didn't see that one coming for sure.
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Sports is ****ing weird man. That's the best analysis I got.
 
I think DA is absolutely the guy you want if you need big changes and a tear down. He's had success and struggles in some areas of GM-ing. In Boston he was lucky the KG deal came when it did and he had an old friend to work with. For the second iteration of that team he ended up selecting guys that were very easy to build around. He gets credit for selecting them for sure... but this task it going to be different. I am glad he's here and glad DL is gone but I'm not seeing a great plan come together.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think DA is absolutely the guy you want if you need big changes and a tear down. He's had success and struggles in some areas of GM-ing. In Boston he was lucky the KG deal came when it did and he had an old friend to work with. For the second iteration of that team he ended up selecting guys that were very easy to build around. He gets credit for selecting them for sure... but this task it going to be different. I am glad he's here and glad DL is gone but I'm not seeing a great plan come together.
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To be fair we are a little too focused on the trees to see the forest. None of those other scenarios happened in one season and a handful of games. We need to give him some time.
 
LogGrad98 said:
To be fair we are a little too focused on the trees to see the forest. None of those other scenarios happened in one season and a handful of games. We need to give him some time.
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For sure. I do think we did some things wrong for the spot we are at. Being consumed with value and getting a deal ends up with us acquiring/retaining a bunch of players that really don't do much to make other players better. It is a clear need for this team to be better but its also a need for a team to properly develop imo.

It just all kind of sucks that we are so bad and last year was the year to be so bad. Tanking this year will still have some benefit but I think last year's draft had 3 guys that would go #1 in this draft.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
The 2023 draft was a failure. Is that part of the evidence too?
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If Keyonte develops into a star the draft was a huge success, regardless of what happens with Hendricks and Brice.

Even if he only develops to be a solid starter that is good enough to start on a contending team, thats a win. And I do have faith that Hendricks will at the minimum turn into a solid role player.
 
Right now we just stay the course and let the struggles hurt our record. If we come out of it magically then the guys will bump up their trade value and we can move them to further aid the tank. It will put us in a dangerous spot with Lauri but we are in control there still. I do wonder if an overwhelming offer could come in for him and we go to ground zero 1.5 years after we thought we were at ground zero.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Right now we just stay the course and let the struggles hurt our record. If we come out of it magically then the guys will bump up their trade value and we can move them to further aid the tank. It will put us in a dangerous spot with Lauri but we are in control there still. I do wonder if an overwhelming offer could come in for him and we go to ground zero 1.5 years after we thought we were at ground zero.
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I think we need to be bad for the next two years at minimum and do whatever we need to make that happen.
 
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