Food for thought

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think we need to be bad for the next two years at minimum and do whatever we need to make that happen.

And I don't want to move Lauri... but this year we have maximum leverage where a monster offer could come in. It would have to be a monster though... I'm saying at least 3 unprotected picks and a prime prospect type of offer.

I don't think being bad for 2024 and 2025 is the current plan for this FO... but if we suck this year it will be hard to look at Cooper Flagg and think maybe we shouldn't extend it a year.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I wanna read HH’s post. Can you link it?

This is mostly for @infection

Here is my Danny Ainge analogy/allegory…

My son likes to go to “the bins”. What are the bins? It’s a massive warehouse where Goodwill bring a ton of stuff that is donated before it hits stores or is shipped to recyclers. It’s these giant bins and people rummage through and find treasures and they get to pay by the pound.

The reason my son likes to go there is he found a few high ticket items he sold for a $100 here and there as well as some lower ticket items he sells to some of the local clothing retailers. He also finds stuff he likes to wear even if it doesn’t fit he wears the clothes like a badge of honor. He loves those more than new clothes acquired through traditional means.

He was on a kick where he was going there multiple times a week when he was supposed to be finding a job and I was getting pretty annoyed “but dad I got this shirt and I can resell it for $75… I don’t need a job”. When you added up gas/time etc it may have been breaking even but not making much more than gas. It’s fine though cuz him and his friends like to do it but it doesn’t replace actual work/income.

Danny Ainge feels like my son at the bins. Searching for deals and finding some nice treasures. A noble activity so long as you aren’t ignoring the big picture/responsibilities. Get addicted to the deal and your own projects and you end up being the kid wearing the Affliction t shirt and size 40 name brand jeans that are way too big.

DA is a value hunter which is good but if that is all you are doing without much thought it will lead to having a closet full of THTs that no one wants to buy. And while you have a JC and a sexton at home you are also eyeballing the hell out of that Tyler Herro at the store. Like my son he’s in a spot where he needs get rid of some stuff before he can buy anymore… but that’s no fun so he heads back to the bins.

I have no doubt DA is looking for bigger things but his value hunting hobby has taken too big of a place when he needs to be shaping the roster a bit more. Even if that means selling off a THT for not much, or not rearing a Jordan Clarkson even though the price is really nice, or moving Sexton even though he think Sextons will be making a big comeback next season. I’m not super frustrated with it yet but he needs to do some things in season to make things make sense.

DA stop going to the bins and fill out a few job applications please.

Here it is... I doubt it hits real hard unless you have a son who is a thrifter but you actually need him to get a job.

 

[fishonjazz]

I guess everything is possible.

It may be extremely unlikely though.

Eh, one of the draft picks is already getting major minutes and looking like the best point guard on the team and a top 5 guy from the draft. That draft already might be a success to be honest

 

[LogGrad98]

For sure. I do think we did some things wrong for the spot we are at. Being consumed with value and getting a deal ends up with us acquiring/retaining a bunch of players that really don't do much to make other players better. It is a clear need for this team to be better but its also a need for a team to properly develop imo.

It just all kind of sucks that we are so bad and last year was the year to be so bad. Tanking this year will still have some benefit but I think last year's draft had 3 guys that would go #1 in this draft.

Agreed on the draft part. Next year's appears to be very underwhelming, especially compared to this year. Always a day late and a dollar short. All we can do is trust Danny knows what he's doing. I for one think he does and that he is just ahead of us all. He has little control over the direct play of the guard corps this year, which is a huge driver of our failure to perform so far. But yeah, if we are truly trying to tank, then we are doing it a year too late.

 

[HermanG]

The bad start to the the season is not some DA scheme to tank, unless he also had some secret discussions with JC in his private office about helping him out with that plan.

Its just a bad start to the season mostly due to some key individuals playing like crap. Not like we are the first team ever to experience that.

 

[underdog]

It's too early to talk about tanking after 8 games.