What's new
By:

Fords Draft Grade for the Jazz

i know the expirings have value, but the reason they have value is because they are expiring. meaning half the value is that you can let them run out and get some financial flexibility for them. in other words, it looks like instead of using the expiring deals as bait for teams who want to create some cap space, the jazz themselves can use them that way.

and it looks like that's what they're prepped to do. no first round picks last night which means no additional multi-year commitments and they even used the memo TPE on a one-year rental. they're saving for 2013, i tell you... which is both smart and frustrating.
 
I'm very skeptical that the Jazz are going to find $40+ million to spend on worthy players, and I'm even more skeptical that the Millers are going to cut a check for millions to the player union for not getting to 90% of the cap (I sure as **** wouldn't if I was in that position, either). So if there's worthy salary I can commit to now (extend Millsap, trade Jefferson for someone whose strongest attribute is NOT to ruin a team's ability to play winning basketball but goes beyond '13, and/or gun for Nash HARD), I would do it.

I'd love to eat my words if the Jazz land any two of Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, or James Harden (still). I'm really confident I won't.
 
I'm still standing firm on two positions. They may seem contradictory, but I don't think so.

(a) KOC is committed to the free agent class of '13
(b) we are not in a holding-pattern type of offseason... Favors and Kanter both need A LOT more time. So, you need to move Jefferson even if it is for less than some supposed market value. You try damn hard to do this without compromising (a).
 
NUMBERICA said:
I'm very skeptical that the Jazz are going to find $40+ million to spend on worthy players, and I'm even more skeptical that the Millers are going to cut a check for millions to the player union for not getting to 90% of the cap (I sure as **** wouldn't if I was in that position, either). So if there's worthy salary I can commit to now (extend Millsap, trade Jefferson for someone whose strongest attribute is NOT to ruin a team's ability to play winning basketball but goes beyond '13, and/or gun for Nash HARD), I would do it.

I'd love to eat my words if the Jazz land any two of Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, or James Harden (still). I'm really confident I won't.
Click to expand...

We will have two 1st round picks next year too. I don't know how much $$$ that adds, but it adds some.
 
theNBAnerd said:
this.

with or without mo, it's starting to look like the jazz are prepping for 2013. which likely means no al trade, no devin trade, no extension for paul, no bringing over tomic now (which could mean never, if he signs another multi-year deal over there), no oj mayo, etc.

they're going to play conservative for a year and basically be ok with another 45-win season, and then go into next summer with multiple draft picks, 40 million in cap space, and a nice young core. which makes perfect sense from a rebuilding standpoint, but still disappoints me for the short term.
Click to expand...

i worry that the jazz won't be able to add a key FA piece in 2013. it seems like all the really good free agents in 2013 are restricted (jrue holiday, curry, lawson, harden). their teams are likely to match. who knows though.
 
last time we had cap space it went ok...

got two all-star big men (ok, so memo was a "fringe" all-star, but still) and used the cap space to stockpile picks and assets that resulted in us getting DW and ultimately the current young core of favors/hayward/kanter/burks.

there are several ways to use cap space, you don't have to go out and sign dwight howard for cap space to be valuable.
 
As of now, it doesn't really look like there much in 2013 that's both is 1) attainable and 2) makes us better. We keep chasing a desert mirage. I've repeated this numerous times. First we think the deadline is coming and our expiring guys will bring in value, then it comes and goes and we think that we've got a bunch of assets to make a move at the draft, then that comes and goes. Then we think we'll make a move at camp. Then, again, we'll make a move at the deadline, when everyone's value somehow, very magically, skyrockets. The summer of 2013 is our next mirage (sans this year's trade deadline) where there aren't any real feasible opportunities for us to improve a significant amount.
 
infection said:
As of now, it doesn't really look like there much in 2013 that's both is 1) attainable and 2) makes us better. We keep chasing a desert mirage. I've repeated this numerous times. First we think the deadline is coming and our expiring guys will bring in value, then it comes and goes and we think that we've got a bunch of assets to make a move at the draft, then that comes and goes. Then we think we'll make a move at camp. Then, again, we'll make a move at the deadline, when everyone's value somehow, very magically, skyrockets. The summer of 2013 is our next mirage (sans this year's trade deadline) where there aren't any real feasible opportunities for us to improve a significant amount.
Click to expand...

i'm not saying i propose going after anything specific in 2013... just that it looks like the jazz are planning to have their next bold move be next summer.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I'm very skeptical that the Jazz are going to find $40+ million to spend on worthy players, and I'm even more skeptical that the Millers are going to cut a check for millions to the player union for not getting to 90% of the cap (I sure as **** wouldn't if I was in that position, either). So if there's worthy salary I can commit to now (extend Millsap, trade Jefferson for someone whose strongest attribute is NOT to ruin a team's ability to play winning basketball but goes beyond '13, and/or gun for Nash HARD), I would do it.

I'd love to eat my words if the Jazz land any two of Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, or James Harden (still). I'm really confident I won't.
Click to expand...

Also, the Jazz can still offer the full MLE, even with Williams, so a FA. So we can easily add another good player this off-season if there is one out there.
 
depends on what you can find for the MLE, though, and if it requires a multi-year deal, they may still say no.

with the new tax structure kicking in, cap space teams are going to hold all the cards in the next couple of offseasons... either in negotiating with FAs or in negotiating with teams.

that being said, i would still do things this way: extend paul. bring back AK. keep exploring options for al trades, even if it's for future assets. bring over tomic now, so that he doesn't sign another multi-year deal and basically be gone forever. amnesty bell. let howard walk. i was 50/50 on carroll, but since they already picked up his option, then i guess have at it. decline tinsley's option since we now have three PGs under contract. if you can get out from under earl's 2M and give somebody like machado a shot, i'd rather do that, but it might be more realistic that earl stays. keep evans for cheap so you have a 5th big for insurance.

favors - kanter
millsap - tomic - evans
ak - carroll
hayward - burks - murphy
harris - mo - watson

then you STILL go into next season with two 1st round picks (plus whatever you got for al), expiring deals of devin and mo, and young guys who are better because al didn't take 20 shots per game and rob everybody else of opportunities to get better.
 
theNBAnerd said:
depends on what you can find for the MLE, though, and if it requires a multi-year deal, they may still say no.

with the new tax structure kicking in, cap space teams are going to hold all the cards in the next couple of offseasons... either in negotiating with FAs or in negotiating with teams.

that being said, i would still do things this way: extend paul. bring back AK. keep exploring options for al trades, even if it's for future assets. bring over tomic now, so that he doesn't sign another multi-year deal and basically be gone forever. amnesty bell. let howard walk. i was 50/50 on carroll, but since they already picked up his option, then i guess have at it. decline tinsley's option since we now have three PGs under contract. if you can get out from under earl's 2M and give somebody like machado a shot, i'd rather do that, but it might be more realistic that earl stays. keep evans for cheap so you have a 5th big for insurance.

favors - kanter
millsap - tomic - evans
ak - carroll
hayward - burks - murphy
harris - mo - watson

then you STILL go into next season with two 1st round picks (plus whatever you got for al), expiring deals of devin and mo, and young guys who are better because al didn't take 20 shots per game and rob everybody else of opportunities to get better.
Click to expand...

Yup, still MUST deal with Al.

I think you have to shop Harris HARD now that you've got Mo. There is some market for him. Mo fits better with this team, so I'm glad they got him (hopefully with some additional asset(s)).
 
i think "mo fits better with this team" is questionable, but i still agree that if you can get some value in exchange for harris, you do it.

and i'd reagree with your agreement on al, but at this point i think we've whacked that dead horse enough. guy's just not helping us win games now, and he's costing us wins later.
 
theNBAnerd said:
especially because in 6 months they will be totally irrelevant.
Click to expand...
They are irrelevant today. Who honestly believes that some writer has a better sense of what each team needs than that team's actual front office who spend a year preparing for the draft. There are a couple of stupid GMs, but they are the exception, not the rule.
 
vslice02 said:
Again - you can't possibly grade a draft until 3-4 years down the road.
Click to expand...

True. Actually, if I had a national column, that's exactly what I'd do--on the day after the draft I'd give draft grades based on the draft that was 3 years ago. I think that would make for a cool annual tradition.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page
Back
Top