Georges Niang is a Good Defensive Player?

[Handlogten's Heros]

Im not there yet, not even close.

Niang is playing 14 mpg primarily against backups. It's a big change to double the minutes and start guarding the starting 3/4's of the NBA.

But of course, Royce would replace Bogey in the starting lineup, not Niang. I guess Niang would boost up to more like 20 mpg if we traded Bogey without getting a rotation player back.

I would keep him a bench guy and hopefully we add in something different in Bogey’s place. Niang then moves to like a 20-25 minute role and maybe you get a defender/spot up shooter in Bogeys spot. Might be a little less ball handling and creation than is ideal.

I guess it all depends on if we get good bogey back. I don’t see why we wouldn’t but he’s struggling right now. Someone do a deep dive on guys coming back from wrist surgery... do they have prolonged struggles and get back to normal?

 

[infection]

I would keep him a bench guy and hopefully we add in something different in Bogey’s place. Niang then moves to like a 20-25 minute role and maybe you get a defender/spot up shooter in Bogeys spot. Might be a little less ball handling and creation than is ideal.

I guess it all depends on if we get good bogey back. I don’t see why we wouldn’t but he’s struggling right now. Someone do a deep dive on guys coming back from wrist surgery... do they have prolonged struggles and get back to normal?

I was really worried about the surgery. However, I think it's psychological at this point. His FT% is still up there (87% on 139 attempts). I would definitely say he is this year's 2019-2020 Mike Conley. I know we don't remember it that well, but Bojan was definitely a guy you saw bringing it on the offensive end in obvious ways all last year, and while we were initially excited about Conley, it ended up seeming like Bojan was the actual find in the summer and Conley ended up becoming irrelevant. I think part of it is getting back into the swing of things in addition to some changing pieces. When he came back, Mike was already playing better and Clarkson was fully integrated, especially as they had to do the bubble without him and all pick up the offense (dude was averaging 20 ppg last year that those two guys filled in the vacuum on). So it's harder for him to get into a rhythm because there's less natural flow in the game to get him the ball, so when we try to get him going it's too intentional and, at that point, it puts pressure on him because he's thinking he needs to do something to get going because the flow isn't going to naturally come to him.

I think what we need to be doing is trying to get him going by trying to draw up plays that specifically gets him open for a catch-and-shoot. Get a high volume of those. Stop with the creation nonsense.

And, as impactful as we've seen the Mike bounce-back be this year, it could be very impactful if we saw a Bojan bounce-back.

 

[LogGrad98]

I was really worried about the surgery. However, I think it's psychological at this point. His FT% is still up there (87% on 139 attempts). I would definitely say he is this year's 2019-2020 Mike Conley. I know we don't remember it that well, but Bojan was definitely a guy you saw bringing it on the offensive end in obvious ways all last year, and while we were initially excited about Conley, it ended up seeming like Bojan was the actual find in the summer and Conley ended up becoming irrelevant. I think part of it is getting back into the swing of things in addition to some changing pieces. When he came back, Mike was already playing better and Clarkson was fully integrated, especially as they had to do the bubble without him and all pick up the offense (dude was averaging 20 ppg last year that those two guys filled in the vacuum on). So it's harder for him to get into a rhythm because there's less natural flow in the game to get him the ball, so when we try to get him going it's too intentional and, at that point, it puts pressure on him because he's thinking he needs to do something to get going because the flow isn't going to naturally come to him.

I think what we need to be doing is trying to get him going by trying to draw up plays that specifically gets him open for a catch-and-shoot. Get a high volume of those. Stop with the creation nonsense.

And, as impactful as we've seen the Mike bounce-back be this year, it could be very impactful if we saw a Bojan bounce-back.

Straight up, we have to have a functional Bojan if we are really going to make any noise this year in the playoffs the way our team is constituted. If he is not playing well, at least shooting efficiently, we will have a rough hill to climb. A peak Bojan will put us over the top for sure.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I would keep him a bench guy and hopefully we add in something different in Bogey’s place. Niang then moves to like a 20-25 minute role and maybe you get a defender/spot up shooter in Bogeys spot. Might be a little less ball handling and creation than is ideal.

I guess it all depends on if we get good bogey back. I don’t see why we wouldn’t but he’s struggling right now. Someone do a deep dive on guys coming back from wrist surgery... do they have prolonged struggles and get back to normal?

I would be pretty surprised if they trade Bogey next year though. I think it's more likely he gets traded in his contract year (or the summer before it).

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I would be pretty surprised if they trade Bogey next year though. I think it's more likely he gets traded in his contract year (or the summer before it).

I will stand firm in my prediction that one of MC, Bogey, or JC are not on the roster next year. The finances are too tough... we are already at the tax line before doing anything with Mike.

Mike gets around $20M and you are looking at a tax bill over $50M. If they didn't trade Bogey I think the potential of him dropping off or getting hurt would be quite risky with the repeater tax staring at you in 22-23. The only other cost cutting move could be Favs but I don't think he has a lot of trade value and he makes half as much as Bogey... so it doesn't go as far.

We shall see. Make the western conference finals or NBA finals and Ryan may go for it. A first or second round exit and it gets tough to justify the investment.

 

[infection]

I will stand firm in my prediction that one of MC, Bogey, or JC are not on the roster next year. The finances are too tough... we are already at the tax line before doing anything with Mike.

Mike gets around $20M and you are looking at a tax bill over $50M. If they didn't trade Bogey I think the potential of him dropping off or getting hurt would be quite risky with the repeater tax staring at you in 22-23. The only other cost cutting move could be Favs but I don't think he has a lot of trade value and he makes half as much as Bogey... so it doesn't go as far.

We shall see. Make the western conference finals or NBA finals and Ryan may go for it. A first or second round exit and it gets tough to justify the investment.

They're going to have a hard time trading Bojan after he hits the buzzer-beater three to win the finals, and thus replacing "the shot" by Stockton to be our new ultimate moment of Jazz fandom.

 

[LogGrad98]

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[whatthe]

I think Bojan does well as the 2nd banana. 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th banana then he crumbles mentally.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

This.

I think the only counter to this is that maybe OPJ is James Hardening it this year until he gets with a good team and magically turns into 23-year old OPJ.

Once guys have had serious or repeated injuries, I think they start pacing themselves just to prolong their careers. They pick and choose when to play hard because it's not worth getting injured for a lousy team or a playing situation that doesn't mean anything. I think Blake Griffin is probably and example of this, Jeff Green too.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

They're going to have a hard time trading Bojan after he hits the buzzer-beater three to win the finals, and thus replacing "the shot" by Stockton to be our new ultimate moment of Jazz fandom.

That’s the situation where we run it back. Ryan pays the tax and Jazzfanz starts a gofundme to run it back... we end up contributing $382 to the cause.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Once guys have had serious or repeated injuries, I think they start pacing themselves just to prolong their careers. They pick and choose when to play hard because it's not worth getting injured for a lousy team or a playing situation that doesn't mean anything.

He has long term issues with his hips which may end up in him being done early. It’s something he needs to manage from what I understand... will not be “fixed”

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Once guys have had serious or repeated injuries, I think they start pacing themselves just to prolong their careers. They pick and choose when to play hard because it's not worth getting injured for a lousy team or a playing situation that doesn't mean anything. I think Blake Griffin is probably and example of this, Jeff Green too.

I dont think it's a choice. Their bodies cant physically do it.