Global Climate Status Report

[One Brow]

AOC was widely reported for saying we have 12 years to fix everything or it's the end. That's no lie.

It's also not the same thing as saying that human civilization will cease in 12 years. There's a difference between "too late to change course" and "the end".

Feel free to share your calculations of the amount of ice and how much ocean water will rise.

 

[Red]

The heat index, that "feel like" temperature, is going to go through the rough in the decades ahead. Burying one's head in the sand won't do much good, it will probably just make it feel even hotter. I'll see a heat index of about 110 degrees this weekend, but also a dew point in the 70's, so I imagine it will feel like Amazonia. We don't get "dry" heat here....

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...because-global-warming-study-says/1734127001/

"By 2050, hundreds of U.S. cities could see an entire month each year with heat index temperatures above 100 degrees if nothing is done to rein in global warming."
"The number of days per year when the heat index exceeds 100 degrees will more than double nationally, according to the study, which was published Tuesday in the peer-reviewed journal Environmental Research Communications."

"“We have little to no experience with ‘off-the-charts’ heat in the U.S.,” said Erika Spanger-Siegfried, lead climate analyst at the Union of Concerned Scientists and report co-author. “These conditions occur at or above a heat index of 127 degrees, depending on temperature and humidity. Exposure to conditions in that range makes it difficult for human bodies to cool themselves and could be deadly.”

 

[jazzrule]

In other words, the green deal would totally bust America / Americans. THIS is exactly what the Progressives want. They want EVERYONE to be totally dependent on "The Government" , its called CONTROL. Open borders, gun control and wealth redistribution (aka Climate Change) are the three pillars of global control.

 

[babe]

A very interesting read on "climate despair" and mental health....

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/j5w374/climate-despair-is-making-people-give-up-on-life

Offhand, after reading this article, I am optimistic more than ever.

Ambrose Bierce, a satirist/humorist/progressive socialist and sometimes wit, used to come up with the most remarkable observations while trying his damnest to ridicule religious faith off the planet.

He'd do little ditties like this for the daily newspaper:

OPTIMIST, n. A proponent of the doctrine that black is white.
A pessimist applied to God for relief.
"Ah, you wish me to restore your hope and cheerfulness," said God.
"No," replied the petitioner, "I wish you to create something that would justify them."
"The world is all created," said God, "but you have overlooked something— the mortality of the optimist."

xroads.virginia.edu/~Hyper/Bierce/bierce.html

 

[babe]

The heat index, that "feel like" temperature, is going to go through the rough in the decades ahead. Burying one's head in the sand won't do much good, it will probably just make it feel even hotter. I'll see a heat index of about 110 degrees this weekend, but also a dew point in the 70's, so I imagine it will feel like Amazonia. We don't get "dry" heat here....

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...because-global-warming-study-says/1734127001/

"By 2050, hundreds of U.S. cities could see an entire month each year with heat index temperatures above 100 degrees if nothing is done to rein in global warming."
"The number of days per year when the heat index exceeds 100 degrees will more than double nationally, according to the study, which was published Tuesday in the peer-reviewed journal Environmental Research Communications."

"“We have little to no experience with ‘off-the-charts’ heat in the U.S.,” said Erika Spanger-Siegfried, lead climate analyst at the Union of Concerned Scientists and report co-author. “These conditions occur at or above a heat index of 127 degrees, depending on temperature and humidity. Exposure to conditions in that range makes it difficult for human bodies to cool themselves and could be deadly.”

I have been in some pretty good heat and high humidity.

It works like this…… the sun comes up over the dewy fields and forests, and the temp rises by 11 A.M. to ninety something.

light air..... hot and moist.... rises. Clouds form. Rain falls.

In the Philippines where I was, a series of typhoons blew over.... about 7 of them, in about forty days. The area was sea level, with fisheries along the river banks. For some weeks, I rode a boat to go anywhere.

 

[Red]

I have been in some pretty good heat and high humidity.

It works like this…… the sun comes up over the dewy fields and forests, and the temp rises by 11 A.M. to ninety something.

light air..... hot and moist.... rises. Clouds form. Rain falls.

In the Philippines where I was, a series of typhoons blew over.... about 7 of them, in about forty days. The area was sea level, with fisheries along the river banks. For some weeks, I rode a boat to go anywhere.

Yeah, I've been in high heat/high heat index as well. I love it, to be honest. I like a hazy, hot, and humid Summer. And since I never know how many summers I might have left, I am sure to not complain. Unfortunetly, the wife has a thyroid problem, and cannot enjoy the three H's the way I do. I enjoy getting out into and experiencing weather extremes in general. Just to see what I can take. But Summer is the best, its sailing, and being a beach bum if that's how I want to spend my time. Now, that said, I doubt I would thrive in a heat index of 127 or higher. But I would test myself with it, because that's extreme on my scale.

 

[babe]

In other words, the green deal would totally bust America / Americans. THIS is exactly what the Progressives want. They want EVERYONE to be totally dependent on "The Government" , its called CONTROL. Open borders, gun control and wealth redistribution (aka Climate Change) are the three pillars of global control.

I think you are mistaken here.

Progressives don't want power. Or money. They want lollypops and roses, and an ice cream man on every neighborhood street.

Progressives are simpletons, stupid as rocks.

But there are some clever folks who call the tunes.... they hire drum beaters like media talking shirts with empty heads. And agenda pushers whom they flatter and lead to do social media dominance exercises to shout down thoughtful comments and realistic opinions.....

But a lot of idealistic "believers" in Statist religions will throw in their work for free, too.

Well, actually, in my experience, most dedicated Marxists I've known are actually the heirs of pretty impressive and important "Capitalists"..... well, you know, there are two forms of Capitalists. The first to emerge is a sort of grub. Someone who works hard, saves money, and invests in new businesses..... But then when it gets fat, it secreets a sort of mud around itself, while it tries to become acceptable to "Old Money" by joining the Council of Foreign Relations.

If this is blessed by approval of Old Money, and properly lubricated with payola, it will hatch out and take flight as a Moth.

This Moth phase of the Capitalist is especially voracious. It becomes politically active in building the hive of the Old Money Fagocyte.…. I think that must be the correct spelling but in human blood it is spelled Phagocyte, because it eats everything that is not esteemed to be compliant with the Host.

I prefer to term this life stage "State Capitalist". Well, in Latin terminology, it could be termed "fascist" describing the essential connections it must maintain.

 

[babe]

It's also not the same thing as saying that human civilization will cease in 12 years. There's a difference between "too late to change course" and "the end".

Feel free to share your calculations of the amount of ice and how much ocean water will rise.

Perhaps you'd suppress your snickers a bit if I got your experts to describe their calculations.

https://psmag.com/environment/arctic-sea-now-prefers-thin-crust-ice-to-deep-dish

hmmmm….

This is only the Arctic, with nothing about the Antarctic here. 3800 cubic miles of sea ice in the Arctic Ocean. Niney percent of which is "under water" unless it's sitting on rock.... 3.8 million square miles if you spread it out 5.2 feet deep. Ocean surface on Earth is about 139 million square miles. oh, so about 2 inches in sea level rise if all that melts. uhmmm except 90% is already part of the ocean volume.... so how about 0.2 inches.

Supposedly, The Antarctic is having winter when the Arctic is doing summer, so as ice melts in the North, it is freezing in the South. But the article claims a 25 cubic mile loss this year. A year to year difference of 25/3800 times 0.2 inches. say....0.002 inches.

Of course, there is the huge ice shelf in the south, plus all the landlubber ice of the south, plus Greenland, and the glaciers....

https://psmag.com/environment/arctic-sea-now-prefers-thin-crust-ice-to-deep-dish

This article claims if all the ice melts, sea levels would rise about 200 feet. I worry about the Delta chub between Stockton and Fairfield. A lot of the fertile Central Valley, gone. Just the tops of the hills in San Francisco. Silicon valley gone.

hmmmm……. wanna help me melt the ice???? I could make the case we need to do it to save the planet...… No more New Orleans, Mardi Gras or not..... no more LA.

yah.... so people will move. Trump will build new towns. full employment. Lots of tax revenues.

seriously, almost all of earth history has been without any permanent ice. So what does "normal" really look like????

I don't think we need CO2 to melt the ice. I think a cyclic decline in solar inputs is outweighed by a cyclic increase in Earth heat generation in our near future.

Instead of economic totalitarianism, eliminating opportunity for the peasantry while demanding they sacrifice for the sake of social justice while the Fatcats build their bunkers in the Rockies, the best thing we can do is just start building on higher ground. Look for new areas to do agriculture, find other resources.

I will have lakeshore estates when that happens, if anybody is interested.

 

[babe]

So there's recent research that claims Antartic ice is still on the increase. Yah gotta remember.... altitude. More evaporation will build ice mass on higher altitudes during warmer temps.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddar...ns-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses

 

[babe]

Anyway..... there is a system of rivers and lakes under the southern ice cap, which helps reduce friction for sliding ice masses, helping to convey ice sheets out to sea. the reason is, there is a geologic hot zone under most of Anatarctica, almost on par with our Yellowstone Park heat flux.....

I've noticed in all this, a lot of rough calculation, few measurements..... it's pretty much not real data. And the assumptions..... my Gawd…..this is not Science.

totally wrong to assume warmer temps directly cause meltdown. warmer temps increase the evaporation and increase the atmospheric moisture "carrying capacity", which means synergistically increasing snowfall over the poles and mountains, to a point.

When it becomes rain over these areas, we will have a maximum sea level.

 

[babe]

Anyway..... there is a system of rivers and lakes under the southern ice cap, which helps reduce friction for sliding ice masses, helping to convey ice sheets out to sea. the reason is, there is a geologic hot zone under most of Anatarctica, almost on par with our Yellowstone Park heat flux.....

I've noticed in all this, a lot of rough calculation, few measurements..... it's pretty much not real data. And the assumptions..... my Gawd…..this is not Science.

totally wrong to assume warmer temps directly cause meltdown. warmer temps increase the evaporation and increase the atmospheric moisture "carrying capacity", which means synergistically increasing snowfall over the poles and mountains, to a point.

When it becomes rain over these areas, we will have a maximum sea level.

Final word. If the ice melts, we will solve the problems, if we are "free" to do so. If we are peasants huddled under the fascist castle walls, it's damn certain the lordies won't really give a damn.

It's our human rights and freedom that matters, nothing else.

 

[babe]

Clarifications that I'm not reallly interested in debating: I never actually joined the JWs. My wife is a believer who attends a local Methodist church. JWs also believe that Jesus and Jehovah are distinct beings.

Thank you.

 

[Nate505]

I can't see any logical reason for you to introduce the racist slur here. I'm reporting your uncalled for insult.

Who was this racist slur directed at? I have no idea where that quote originated.

 

[babe]

Who was this racist slur directed at? I have no idea where that quote originated.

Post #171 above. I thought is was about Jazzrule's comment on AOC above that. Couldn't see any comment it was relevant to. Jazzrule's comment was entirely about ideas expressed by AOC.

 

[One Brow]

Perhaps you'd suppress your snickers a bit if I got your experts to describe their calculations.

https://psmag.com/environment/arctic-sea-now-prefers-thin-crust-ice-to-deep-dish

hmmmm….

This is only the Arctic, with nothing about the Antarctic here. 3800 cubic miles of sea ice in the Arctic Ocean.

Melting ice already in the ocean will do very little to raise the sea level, possibly nothing.

 

[babe]

Melting ice already in the ocean will do very little to raise the sea level, possibly nothing.

hmmm..... what am I thinking.....

water expands when it freezes, breaks rocks and pipes.... ice displaces a volume of water of equal weight. I was imagining that the 10% or so showing above the surface meant it would increase the ocean volume when it melts.... but no.

after melting, it will have the volume of water it displaces when floating.

 

[One Brow]

after melting, it will have the volume of water it displaces when floating.

Exactly. It's only the water that's currently on land, or attached to such, that will cause significant sea level changes.

 

[jazzrule]

I think you are mistaken here.

Progressives don't want power. Or money. They want lollypops and roses, and an ice cream man on every neighborhood street.

Progressives are simpletons, stupid as rocks.

But there are some clever folks who call the tunes.... they hire drum beaters like media talking shirts with empty heads. And agenda pushers whom they flatter and lead to do social media dominance exercises to shout down thoughtful comments and realistic opinions.....

But a lot of idealistic "believers" in Statist religions will throw in their work for free, too.

Well, actually, in my experience, most dedicated Marxists I've known are actually the heirs of pretty impressive and important "Capitalists"..... well, you know, there are two forms of Capitalists. The first to emerge is a sort of grub. Someone who works hard, saves money, and invests in new businesses..... But then when it gets fat, it secreets a sort of mud around itself, while it tries to become acceptable to "Old Money" by joining the Council of Foreign Relations.

If this is blessed by approval of Old Money, and properly lubricated with payola, it will hatch out and take flight as a Moth.

This Moth phase of the Capitalist is especially voracious. It becomes politically active in building the hive of the Old Money Fagocyte.…. I think that must be the correct spelling but in human blood it is spelled Phagocyte, because it eats everything that is not esteemed to be compliant with the Host.

I prefer to term this life stage "State Capitalist". Well, in Latin terminology, it could be termed "fascist" describing the essential connections it must maintain.

I think you are mistaken here.

Progressives don't want power. Or money. They want lollypops and roses, and an ice cream man on every neighborhood street.

Progressives are simpletons, stupid as rocks.

But there are some clever folks who call the tunes.... they hire drum beaters like media talking shirts with empty heads. And agenda pushers whom they flatter and lead to do social media dominance exercises to shout down thoughtful comments and realistic opinions.....

But a lot of idealistic "believers" in Statist religions will throw in their work for free, too.

Well, actually, in my experience, most dedicated Marxists I've known are actually the heirs of pretty impressive and important "Capitalists"..... well, you know, there are two forms of Capitalists. The first to emerge is a sort of grub. Someone who works hard, saves money, and invests in new businesses..... But then when it gets fat, it secreets a sort of mud around itself, while it tries to become acceptable to "Old Money" by joining the Council of Foreign Relations.

If this is blessed by approval of Old Money, and properly lubricated with payola, it will hatch out and take flight as a Moth.

This Moth phase of the Capitalist is especially voracious. It becomes politically active in building the hive of the Old Money Fagocyte.…. I think that must be the correct spelling but in human blood it is spelled Phagocyte, because it eats everything that is not esteemed to be compliant with the Host.

I prefer to term this life stage "State Capitalist". Well, in Latin terminology, it could be termed "fascist" describing the essential connections it must maintain.

You said - I think you are mistaken here.

Progressives don't want power. Or money. They want lollypops and roses, and an ice cream man on every neighborhood street.

Progressives are simpletons, stupid as rocks.

But there are some clever folks who call the tunes.... they hire drum beaters like media talking shirts with empty heads. And agenda pushers whom they flatter and lead to do social media dominance exercises to shout down thoughtful comments and realistic opinions.....

I stand corrected on all progressives. I was referring to those behind the scenes being smart in controlling the media. Of course they have a fallen angel giving them inspiration. May I share this small bit of wisdom with you. When Jesus was baptised his Father spoke from heaven. Sorry I don't think Jesus was a ventriloquist trying to impress John the Baptist and John's followers. The the Holy Ghost descended on Jesus, and with the Holy Ghost being a spirit he came in the form of a dove (the dove is a symbol of peace). So there you have it they are separate, but the 3 are one in purpose. I have had sacred experiences in my life, that I will not share on jazzfanz. I know the earth will be renewed at Christ return, so there is nothing we can do to affect what is to transpire. You have my respect Sir.

 

[Red]

Progressives are simpletons, stupid as rocks.

You know what would be "progressive"? Banning an agricultural chemical known to damage the brains of children. But not Trump's EPA. No, not his EPA. Trump's EPA backs industry over human health, be it farm workers, or be it children.

https://earthjustice.org/news/press...n-damaging-pesticide-in-fruits-and-vegetables

Washington, D.C. —

Today, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) announced the brain-damaging pesticide chlorpyrifos can still be used on food, although mainstream science says this pesticide is unsafe for children and farmworkers. This decision meets the deadline ordered by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals for the EPA to make a final decision on a petition to ban chlorpyrifos on food.

"By allowing chlorpyrifos to stay in our fruits and vegetables, Trump’s EPA is breaking the law and neglecting the overwhelming scientific evidence that this pesticide harms children’s brains,” said Patti Goldman, Earthjustice attorney. “It is a tragedy that this administration sides with corporations instead of children’s health. But this is only a setback. Lawmakers in states like Hawai'i and New York are now showing the rest of the country that banning this dreadful pesticide is not only possible, but inevitable.”

 

[jazzrule]

You know what would be "progressive"? Banning an agricultural chemical known to damage the brains of children. But not Trump's EPA. No, not his EPA. Trump's EPA backs industry over human health, be it farm workers, or be it children.

https://earthjustice.org/news/press...n-damaging-pesticide-in-fruits-and-vegetables

Washington, D.C. —

Today, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) announced the brain-damaging pesticide chlorpyrifos can still be used on food, although mainstream science says this pesticide is unsafe for children and farmworkers. This decision meets the deadline ordered by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals for the EPA to make a final decision on a petition to ban chlorpyrifos on food.

"By allowing chlorpyrifos to stay in our fruits and vegetables, Trump’s EPA is breaking the law and neglecting the overwhelming scientific evidence that this pesticide harms children’s brains,” said Patti Goldman, Earthjustice attorney. “It is a tragedy that this administration sides with corporations instead of children’s health. But this is only a setback. Lawmakers in states like Hawai'i and New York are now showing the rest of the country that banning this dreadful pesticide is not only possible, but inevitable.”

You said "overwhelming scientific evidence that this pesticide harms children’s brains," You may be 100% correct, but after seeing what scientist said about climate change who knows. What is your stance on teenagers smoking marijuana? There is scientific evidence coming out teenagers smoking marijuana
harms their brains as well.