TheStormofWar
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You're spinning, son. I never said religion was bad. I simply called out you not addressing his point on tribalism.
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Al-O-Meter
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You didn't. Log did. He made the claim that on the whole, meaning when all things are considered, religion is bad for society. The science does not support that claim. In fact, it strongly supports the opposite.
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I chooooose not to live in Oklahoma
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True. And I guess if abortion was banned completely nationwide then women could choose to shove coat hangers into their uteruses.I chooooose not to live in Oklahoma
If teachers were required to teach from Bibles at all schools nationwide then parents could choose to homeschool.
Yay freedom
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Red
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Sounds like the Oklahoma superintendent needs to bone up on his facts where history is concerned. He seems to be relying on his imagination more than anything else…..
Oklahoma Superintendent of Public Instruction Ryan Walters:
"We’ve seen the radical leftists drive God out of schools, drive the Bible out of schools, and we have to make sure that our kids have an understanding of what made America great," said Walters.
"Not teaching our kids about the faith of our founders and the influence that the Bible had in our history is just academic malpractice."
He explained that, under his directive, instructors in every classroom across the state would have a copy of the Bible to teach from.
The teachers, Walters said, will teach the Bible from a historical context, particularly in terms of its role in American history and the influence it had on the country’s founders.
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You might be a Christian nationalist if…
This isn’t to say they weren’t religious. With few exceptions, the founders believed in a God who ruled the world and sometimes answered prayers. However, it’s unfair to force them into modern categories. For instance, none of the founders would have talked about a personal relationship with God through Jesus.
It’s dangerous to try to ascertain the religious beliefs of another person, especially those who lived more than 200 years ago. But based on their available public statements, it is clear that the founding fathers rejected significant parts of orthodox Christianity and wouldn’t be qualified to be leaders in most Christian churches today.
Oklahoma Superintendent of Public Instruction Ryan Walters:
"We’ve seen the radical leftists drive God out of schools, drive the Bible out of schools, and we have to make sure that our kids have an understanding of what made America great," said Walters.
"Not teaching our kids about the faith of our founders and the influence that the Bible had in our history is just academic malpractice."
He explained that, under his directive, instructors in every classroom across the state would have a copy of the Bible to teach from.
The teachers, Walters said, will teach the Bible from a historical context, particularly in terms of its role in American history and the influence it had on the country’s founders.
10 Signs You’ve Fallen for Christian Nationalism
Have you fallen for Christian nationalism? How do you know? Let's look at what is means and doesn't mean to combine our country and our faith.
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You might be a Christian nationalist if…
- You think America’s founders were evangelical Christians.
This isn’t to say they weren’t religious. With few exceptions, the founders believed in a God who ruled the world and sometimes answered prayers. However, it’s unfair to force them into modern categories. For instance, none of the founders would have talked about a personal relationship with God through Jesus.
It’s dangerous to try to ascertain the religious beliefs of another person, especially those who lived more than 200 years ago. But based on their available public statements, it is clear that the founding fathers rejected significant parts of orthodox Christianity and wouldn’t be qualified to be leaders in most Christian churches today.
Red
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Yes, religious faith can, and should, create a sense of community. But it can also be tribal to the hilt. If one’s faith is ecumenical in spirit, it’s one thing, but “my religion is better than your religion” is probably a more realistic generalization. Heck, Christians have waged war against fellow Christians:
en.wikipedia.org
Anyone think MTG is ecumenical in spirit? Or does she reflect a tribal approach to faith?
Sometimes I think religion is an evolutionary adoptation to help a self reflecting animal cope with existential anxiety. We are the animal who can dwell on “I’m going to die someday”. Development of religious belief in God and belief in meaning/purpose to human life may be how a self conscious animal adopts to the experience of living.
Or, it may everything a person of faith believes it to be. Whatever its core beliefs, it may indeed reflect reality. There is a God. There is meaning. Fine. Community. Morality. But, it’s also a leading exponent of tribalism at times. Religious wars have been a thing in human history.
European wars of religion - Wikipedia
Anyone think MTG is ecumenical in spirit? Or does she reflect a tribal approach to faith?
Sometimes I think religion is an evolutionary adoptation to help a self reflecting animal cope with existential anxiety. We are the animal who can dwell on “I’m going to die someday”. Development of religious belief in God and belief in meaning/purpose to human life may be how a self conscious animal adopts to the experience of living.
Or, it may everything a person of faith believes it to be. Whatever its core beliefs, it may indeed reflect reality. There is a God. There is meaning. Fine. Community. Morality. But, it’s also a leading exponent of tribalism at times. Religious wars have been a thing in human history.
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Spot on my belief on religious. It is self-delusion, to cope with an abstract thought we can entertain in our minds but cannot reconcile. The ultimate cognitive dissonance, the "purpose" of life, the reach of our tiny meaningless existence. Once mankind could entertain thoughts like that, they have searched to reconcile that dissonance and the anxiety it inevitably causes. And shysters take advantage and prey on that instinctual need to understand our existence. It is one thing I wonder if our species will ever overcome, the need to find a higher purpose than mere existence. And the desire to impose whatever belief arises in that search on others. To me that last part is because if we see people who believe differently, no matter how hard we try to accept it, it still throws our own beliefs into doubt of some kinds, and the dissonance comes back. So to strive for harmony, everyone needs to believe as we do. Or else.
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It's also weird because we have these powerful brains yet choose to believe the insanity that is the Bible.
I mean when I was going to church as a little kid and was told about Noah's ark I had the intelligence to see that story as impossible. 2 of every animal on 1 boat built by a dude? That's millions of animals. It's just not possible.
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No you missed the obvious scientific fact that at that time there were lambs and doves and lions and camels and elephants and horses and goats and sheep, and that was about it. All other life stemmed from those animals. Like the platypus, or better, the koala bear, with very specific regions just came from a sheep or something and ran straight to australia right after the flood. It isn't that hard to believe if you try.
SteakNEggs
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How this hateful bigoted thread and posters are allowed to spread such hate with is beyond me. Straight Christian hate. This is truthfully astonishing that such hate is openly supported in this forum. Makes it hard to come around here with such a cesspool of bigotry and hatred by the usual "tolerant" suspects.
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SteakNEggs
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Wow a couple days without literal hate speech from the depths of the Alt-Left?! Thank you though as this place is gross when you guys go off on your hateful Christian hating tangents. And before I get called a troll here is the undeniable definition. I am not saying this to push buttons or be rude but this in my eyes is EXACTLY what you guys are doing and have done historically around here in my eyes.
"Hate speech is any form of expression through which speakers intend to vilify, humiliate, or incite hatred against a group or a class of persons on the basis of race, religion,"
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"Hate speech is any form of expression through which speakers intend to vilify, humiliate, or incite hatred against a group or a class of persons on the basis of race, religion,"
Hate Speech and Hate Crime
Hate speech is any form of expression through which speakers intend to vilify, humiliate, or incite hatred against a group or a class of persons on the basis of race, religion, skin color, sexual identity, gender identity, ethnicity, disability, or national origin. Hate crimes are overt acts...
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Good post.
Wait, are you anti-hate or pro-Trump?
SteakNEggs
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I don't think Trump is hateful. He's not the one openly hating Christians and saying they want to read more about people marching to wipe Jews off the planet like we see here. In broad daylight.... Personally I think people in this thread are faaaaar more Trumplike than Trump. But hey, I understand instead of actually addressing the hate here all you addicts have is blaming Trump for your hate speech.
As a Trumper am I the one that starts threads spewing hate speech by definition towards Christians? Starting threads to spew hatred at cops? Starting threads calling Democrats non unifying? Calling Democrats transphobes? Or is that you hateful Democrats? I mean, I can find 10 threads of you bigots attacking others and not ONE the opposite.
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"Far more Trumplike than Trump"? You just said you don't think Trump is hateful.
Democracy in the USA is up against people like you who are conflicted and confused to the point of posing a threat.
SteakNEggs
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What threat? Be specific. Lol yeah right, you will just run away as you guys always do. As a Trump voter I want you to explain to me exactly what threat we bring to you. Am I attacking religion and spewing hate speech by definition like you? Have I wished death on posters like you guys? Have I joked about raping my own child like you guys? Have I said you guys should be put in jail for thinking differently? Do I spend every day calling others cultist like you bigots? Are republicans marching in the streets attacking jews and shutting down colleges? Are Trumpers out geocoding their own children because they are too stupid to wear protection? I mean, we are now in 3 wars... Yet I am the threat? What threat?
Just curious exactly what threat your hateful bigoted religion hating body means.
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Guaranteed he won't acknowledge the statement that he made that you referenced in quotations here.
It's always a bad idea to engage the trolliest troll that ever trolled
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SteakNEggs
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Lol the guy who bullies people then when someone challenges him runs away. The sheer hypocrisy. I will debate you on anything. I'll gladly explain what I meant and you were too shallow to understand.
It was tongue in cheek comment. "Far more Trump like than Trump" meaning you guys are the real Trump's. That everything you accuse Trump of, you, especially you fish are guilty of. Here let me put it better. "You are far more Trump like than you accuse Trump to be." My goodness this was not a difficult concept guys.
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Again, confused, conflicted and obviously consuming way too much Fox News. You going to participate in the next attack on the Capitol bro?