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One Brow said:
All humans are fundamentally irrational, and I'm no different in that respect.
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Aren't you avoiding the question? We are fundamentally prone to do bad things doesn't mean we "choose" to do bad things.


I'll rephrase and ask you this:


Do you intentionally choose to believe in something as un-rational as "love"?
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Do you intentionally choose to believe in something as un-rational as "love"?
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I'm not sure what you mean by 'believe in ... as "love"'. I accept the existence of all sort of irrational things, because they exist, and I choose to accept the existence of things that exist. Why should I deny them? Or, I act on my own feelings just like any other person. Does either of those answer your question?
 
AKMVP said:
All the best. But you lost my respect by putting God above Family.
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If that were PKM's way. . . . some doctrine or ideology above his family. . . . maybe I'd agree with you. But I think it might be the actual case that Jesus was right about the way truth works. . . .

If you put truth first, everything will follow in a natural and proper way. PKM putting God first is I think his way of saying truth is first. If you walk in the truth, you will be doing better for your family and others in your life. . . . according to Jesus, the greatest commandment is to love God (truth) above all else. This is also the first about three of the ten commandments. The second Great commandment is comparable. . . to love others as you love yourself. Putting God first is the greatest thing you can do to put yourself in a good relation to others, and it enables you love others as you love yourself. . . .
 
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babe said:
Putting God first is the greatest thing you can do to put yourself in a good relation to others, and it enables you love others as you love yourself. . . .
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Even if it results in death of your own child?
 
AKMVP said:
Even if it results in death of your own child?
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well, let's put it this way. . . . the case of Jesus (the Son of God) or in the case of Abraham being willing to offer Isaac, in a teaching similitude of the sacrifice God would require of Jesus. . . . yes. But unless that sacrifice results in saving a lot of other lives, I think you don't understand what Jesus taught.

Jesus taught that we should sacrifice our selves in appropriate ways that will benefit others. Sometimes the results are immediate, as in a man or soldier fighting and dying for the liberty of his family and people, sometimes it may not be so immediate or so obvious. . . .

But no, the nutjobs that sacrificed their kids to false gods as Moloch in the Bible, and maybe the Aztecs or other crude mystics who sought to win personal favor with gods by sacrificing others. . . .like I see a lot of progressives willing to do today, as in the case of advocating abortion or anything else to achieve some immediate personal need. . . . that's not what normal religious people are thinking of doing. . . .
 
One Brow said:
the parties I prefer almost always have both sexes, and teens are welcome.
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Did anyone besides me find this uber, uber, uber-creepy? Think about everything you know about OneBrow, and then reread that quote.

Hotttnickkk said:
LOL.. never took you for someone who believes in something as un-rational as "love".
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Ugh. HeavenHarris is obnoxious on purpose. BeanClown is obnoxious because he's actually not very smart, but thinks he is. JimLes is obnoxious because he's Canadian and can't help himself. You're obnoxious because you think it's cool, funny, or clever somehow. Never mind that everyone on this board has pretty much shouted to you that you are none of the above, you're going to just keep on keepin' on.

Dude, please stop. Please. Go back to being yourself, which was often pleasant.
 
E.J. Wells said:
Did anyone besides me find this uber, uber, uber-creepy? Think about everything you know about OneBrow, and then reread that quote.



Ugh. HeavenHarris is obnoxious on purpose. BeanClown is obnoxious because he's actually not very smart, but thinks he is. JimLes is obnoxious because he's Canadian and can't help himself. You're obnoxious because you think it's cool, funny, or clever somehow. Never mind that everyone on this board has pretty much shouted to you that you are none of the above, you're going to just keep on keepin' on.

Dude, please stop. Please. Go back to being yourself, which was often pleasant.
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LOL... did you change your avatar to Voldemort because I called you out on splitting your souls into 7 different horcruxes ... uh... I mean... 7 different alts?!?!?!


I am truly honoured.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
LOL... did you change your avatar to Voldemort because I called you out on splitting your souls into 7 different horcruxes ... uh... I mean... 7 different alts?!?!?!


I am truly honoured.
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Probably the only positive contribution you've made this year, tbpfhwy.
 
E.J. Wells said:
I'd drop trow and Hershey squirt on 'em if that's what they wanted. I happen to know that God would pat me on the back with a smile and say, "Dude, that was awesome!" Stop being an *** wipe.



MORMONS ARE BETTER THAN MUSLIMS!!!!



Again, stop being an *** wipe.
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Yea a real nice christian response. I sure you will justify your response with I was just kidding.
 
cowhide said:
Yea a real nice christian response. I sure you will justify your response with I was just kidding.
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For having been here since 2010, you sure don't know me very well. I meant every word I said there, bub. Care to explain your comment though? What about my response wasn't Christian?
 
babe said:
But unless that sacrifice results in saving a lot of other lives, I think you don't understand what Jesus taught.

Jesus taught that we should sacrifice our selves in appropriate ways that will benefit others. Sometimes the results are immediate, as in a man or soldier fighting and dying for the liberty of his family and people, sometimes it may not be so immediate or so obvious. . . .

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I understand it perfectly I just chose not to believe it. Some people read all the teachings of other prophets and make their choice based on whatever suits them. I have yet to find one who's teachings would make sense to me.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Aren't you avoiding the question? We are fundamentally prone to do bad things doesn't mean we "choose" to do bad things.


I'll rephrase and ask you this:


Do you intentionally choose to believe in something as un-rational as "love"?
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It could be argued, quite well, that "love" is the truly reasonable way to live and relate to others. . . .any set of values that doesn't include "love" is actually meaningless. . . .

I'd say that at least ninety percent of "progressives", as opposed to maybe seventy percent of "conservatives", have chosen their political views because they love someone/people, in some fundamental sense or another. . . . my issues with the various ideological camps are with the elements/individuals of those camps who have truly "lost the love".

For me, "having the love" is most relevant to valuing the rights and liberties of the individual, with a limited set of collective "rights". The right of workers to bargain collectively with employers, the right of people to empower public works for electricity, water, and other needful things where no private enterprise is serving well. . . . the right to build and use roads and highways. . . . the right to organize for collective defense of liberty. . .. the right to establish necessary or even desirable laws of various kinds. . . .the right to be religious/to have personal values and convictions and to speak publicly in public places according to those beliefs. . . . the right to restrain and limit government powers. . .. and regulate government to being a servant and not a master of persons individually and collectively. . .

A lot of the problem with conservatives as well as the UN-general crowd today that I see relates to their contempt for human beings and their willingness to resort to tyranny to obtain political objectives and excessive power. . . .over us. These in cases have truly "lost the love", but most individually still think they are doing something good or necessary for us, somehow. The impulse of "love" in them is our chief hope for change, for anything better. . . .as long as it's there, we are not truly a lost people.

The filipino soldiers who refused to fire on the demonstrators against President Marcos had not " lost the love".
 
dalamon said:
Not wise, I just take time to look at what people are saying, and why they are saying it. Too many times, people just scan through the responses of others, and focus most of their attention towards how they can convey their pre-determined opinion best-- as opposed to just taking time to understand others.

Either way, I'm completely flattered. Especially seeing as I consider you one of the smartest people on this forum
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Amazing way to determine the motivation of many in here for posting. Good job.
 
babe said:
It could be argued, quite well, that "love" is the truly reasonable way to live and relate to others. . . .any set of values that doesn't include "love" is actually meaningless. . . .

I'd say that at least ninety percent of "progressives", as opposed to maybe seventy percent of "conservatives", have chosen their political views because they love someone/people, in some fundamental sense or another. . . . my issues with the various ideological camps are with the elements/individuals of those camps who have truly "lost the love".

For me, "having the love" is most relevant to valuing the rights and liberties of the individual, with a limited set of collective "rights". The right of workers to bargain collectively with employers, the right of people to empower public works for electricity, water, and other needful things where no private enterprise is serving well. . . . the right to build and use roads and highways. . . . the right to organize for collective defense of liberty. . .. the right to establish necessary or even desirable laws of various kinds. . . .the right to be religious/to have personal values and convictions and to speak publicly in public places according to those beliefs. . . . the right to restrain and limit government powers. . .. and regulate government to being a servant and not a master of persons individually and collectively. . .

A lot of the problem with conservatives as well as the UN-general crowd today that I see relates to their contempt for human beings and their willingness to resort to tyranny to obtain political objectives and excessive power. . . .over us. These in cases have truly "lost the love", but most individually still think they are doing something good or necessary for us, somehow. The impulse of "love" in them is our chief hope for change, for anything better. . . .as long as it's there, we are not truly a lost people.

The filipino soldiers who refused to fire on the demonstrators against President Marcos had not " lost the love".
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Your comprehension of the concept of love is macro and I think it's pretty different than loving the moment when someone sneezes or watch him/her sleep and enjoy it more than anything, feel like you want to have nine lives and sacrifice all of them to that one person just because you love him/her and it has nothing to do with anything else.
 
I haven't been around much myself as I find myself very busy with other pursuits. So I missed this announcement until reading in another thread you are "semi-retired." Congrats on giving up alcohol. That's a great accomplishment. Salud and best of luck in all your new found endeavors!
 
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