Goodbye, Green Party

[Siro]

Anti-vaccination, anti-GMO, pro-CAM. The Unholy Trinity of liberal woo.

What's pro-CAM?

 

[ConradA24]

Go to an old cemetery. Observe for yourself the graves of children. **** off with the ant-vaccine nonsense.

Truth.

 

[infection]

What's pro-CAM?

Complementary and alternative medicine.

As an aside, as a whole I'm not a huge believer in most CAM but reasonably tolerant toward it (to an extent). However, I feel this way about a lot of medicine as a whole. It's not that a lot of medicine isn't valid and doesn't work, it's that often it's the benefit, effect sizes and relative risk reduction is significantly less than we perceive it. As a society we look at the world of science putting us on the moon and giving us the Internet, so we naturally have a more magical view of medicine. Medical science is wonderful, but we're making a lot of policy based on magical and distorted views, which isn't good for many reasons.

 

[Siro]

Complementary and alternative medicine.

As an aside, as a whole I'm not a huge believer in most CAM but reasonably tolerant toward it (to an extent). However, I feel this way about a lot of medicine as a whole. It's not that a lot of medicine isn't valid and doesn't work, it's that often it's the benefit, effect sizes and relative risk reduction is significantly less than we perceive it. As a society we look at the world of science putting us on the moon and giving us the Internet, so we naturally have a more magical view of medicine. Medical science is wonderful, but we're making a lot of policy based on magical and distorted views, which isn't good for many reasons.

Thanks.

I think eventually medicine will become a quantitative information science. But that's a long ways away. Meanwhile, we'll have to do with the limited scope of medicinal science. It is inescapable given the enormous complexity of the human body.

 

[Jamezz]

Go to an old cemetery. Observe for yourself the graves of children. **** off with the ant-vaccine nonsense.

Classy post.

 

[♪alt13]

Classy post.

Have you ever met anyone that had polio as a child? Dude, the diseases that we vaccinate for are crazy scary. Vaccines are arguably the greatest thing ever invented. It's not hyperbole.

 

[Jamezz]

Have you ever met anyone that had polio as a child? Dude, the diseases that we vaccinate for are crazy scary. Vaccines are arguably the greatest thing ever invented. It's not hyperbole.

I haven't and I'm glad that a vaccine helped some people not get polio. No need to be an *** about the whole thing is all I'm saying. I guess all vaccines, without exception, have always been wonderful.

 

[♪alt13]

I haven't and I'm glad that a vaccine helped some people not get polio. No need to be an *** about the whole thing is all I'm saying. I guess all vaccines, without exception, have always been wonderful.

There is very good reason to be an *** about it. We are losing herd immunity due to people buying into pseudo science bull ****. People on chemo, kids who are allergic to vaccines, the elderly, infants, kids with stupid or irresponsible parents, etc depend on the rest of us to not cause an outbreak.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Have you ever met anyone that had polio as a child? Dude, the diseases that we vaccinate for are crazy scary. Vaccines are arguably the greatest thing ever invented. It's not hyperbole.

This. Vaccines might have some side effects that are unknown and unproven but they are the greatest medical invention in the history of man-kind and possibly greatest invention period. They have had the most positive impact on the health of humans of anything invented by a long shot.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

I haven't and I'm glad that a vaccine helped some people not get polio.

I'd say the "some people not get polio" should be more like, "rid the world of an epidemic disease." Think ebola, but EVERYWHERE.

 

[fishonjazz]

What's pro-CAM?

Surprised you didn't know this. I figured you know everything.
(I had no idea what pro-CAM was btw)

 

[fishonjazz]

There is very good reason to be an *** about it. We are losing herd immunity due to people buying into pseudo science bull ****. People on chemo, kids who are allergic to vaccines, the elderly, infants, kids with stupid or irresponsible parents, etc depend on the rest of us to not cause an outbreak.

This. Vaccines might have some side effects that are unknown and unproven but they are the greatest medical invention in the history of man-kind and possibly greatest invention period. They have had the most positive impact on the health of humans of anything invented by a long shot.

I'd say the "some people not get polio" should be more like, "rid the world of an epidemic disease." Think ebola, but EVERYWHERE.

Have you ever met anyone that had polio as a child? Dude, the diseases that we vaccinate for are crazy scary. Vaccines are arguably the greatest thing ever invented. It's not hyperbole.

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