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Graphic video released of police killing another black man in cold blood

And also if you're stupid enough to wave a gun or anything that looks like a gun around in public, expect to be treated as a threat


The kid was a moron
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
Hack, where did you get the info about his girlfriend? If you look at the video, it appears he was shot about a second after they said, put it down, but it's very hard to tell if they did say anything before that. If you look on the left screen, you will see that their feet come into the picture about 4 seconds before they call out to him (maybe less, have to go back and look to see exactly how long).
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There is a news interview of her on the webs somewhere. Sorry I can't post links from my phone
 
Yell42 said:
And also if you're stupid enough to wave a gun or anything that looks like a gun around in public, expect to be treated as a threat

The kid was a moron
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Watch the video. It does seem kind of strange that he would pick up the gun and walk around with it. Looked like he was play acting, in a way. Who knows what was going on in his mind. Whatever, he was totally innocent. The problem is that things have changed and what was appropriate and harmless 20-30 years ago now has a whole new connotation and we are creatures of habit, so it takes time to adjust.
 
She states that before he is shot she hears him say "it's not real"(I assume he is talking about the gun)
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I didn't hear her say this in the one interview I could find online. She said she had no idea why he was shot, only that she knew he didn't have a gun with him when they went into Walmart. The speculation that he had a conversation with the police is not supported by the facts or the video. The cops snuck up as you can see their feet come into the picture on the left screen, called out, then one second later, the one cop fired his rifle.
 
Stoked said:
I have not watched the video. I thought it was said in here that he was shot and then reached for the gun/toy and got shot again as a result.
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When there is no sound, it looks like that. On the video with sound that Eenie-Meenie just linked to, it's obvious he was only shot before he fell the first time, there is no gun shot after he gets back up.
 
Hack said:
There you go again lumping all white people together in a conversation I don't get it. How is that not racism? How do you feel comfortable with doing that? When talking about this, I try not lump any race in one group. You clearly have that Bankrupt mindset that it's ok to lump all white people together but not any other race.
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There are similarities in how people are treated by society based on their skin color, and this treatment affects their thinking in the way that treatment affects human thinking in general. In particular, you exhibited this when you said you thought depiction of racism were, not just exaggerated, but "over exaggerated". You made this statement based on the very small impact racism has had in your life. It's something you see very often from white men, because racism and sexism have very little impact on their lives. It's a normal human response to your/their experience, even though it is a misunderstanding of the the true problem.

Hack said:
No, I just want people people to stop blaming me for something just because of my skin color.
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No one thinks you are relevant enough to be blamed for anything. Your insignificance dwarfs your ability to cause major harm by your ignorance.

Hack said:
My point was that plenty of white people have tried hard to help with the civil rights of black people. Black people didn't free themselves all by themselves. They had plenty of help from good white people a long the way. It's a shame that you and others refuse to acknowledge that and continue to bash all white people as a whole.
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It's a shame that you are so invested in white privilege you can't even tell the difference between being told you have privilege and being bashed. No one is bashing white people, generally, not even HighlandHomie.

Hack said:
The ironic thing here is that you are bending over backwards to help the cause but then turn around and blame yourself for being part of the problem because of your skin color.
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Every time I allow my immediate reactions to control my decisions, I am part of the problem. Every time I take a moment to evaluate those reactions and look for their basis, I am part of the solution. I go back and forth on that, like any other human, although I make an effort to emphasize the latter.

Hack said:
I can't stop others from being racist.
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This so misunderstood what I said, so fundamentally, that my best response is what you responded to: As long as you are stuck in a mindset where racism is a problem of some people, and not a problem of culture, you are part of the problem.

No one is asking you to "stop others".

Hack said:
I'll just still be called a racist because of my skin color. I will always be part of the problem because of my skin color.
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You'll have racist inclinations because you are human, and all humans have them. You'll be part of the problem as long as you insist the problem is individual people, as opposed to every person sometimes behaving in a racist fashion and sometimes not behaving in a racist fashion.

Hack said:
I guess I just don't understand what you would have me do?
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I know, but I'll keep trying to explain it in different ways, for as long as you care to exchange posts.
 
Hack said:
Well then you need to re watch the video a few more times. Running and stumbling doesn't describe what the action LogGrad is questioning about. It doesn't even sound like you are describing what is being talked about.
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Yet, as it turns out, that's basically what happened. He wasn't shot again after he got up, he just fell back down.
 
LogGrad98 said:
What I am questioning is the motives so many are trying to assign to the police. There is a big difference between making a mistake and being a murderous evil racist pig bent on killing every black person they can get away with.
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I agree it's a mistake to say they are "bent on killing", because that implies an intent that is usually not there. However, it seems perfectly fair to say there is a difference in the willingness to shoot black people.
 
LogGrad98 said:
One incident vs. one incident = anecdotal evidence.
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That may be true in the case of this thread, but there are countless incidents where a black person was wrongly shot/shot & killed by police. And in the wake of the recent killings of Mike Brown, John Crawford, Eric Garner and many more - we've seen many pictures and videos of whites with rifles on their backs walking around stores/in public in states where that's legal. The cops don't flinch at that - AND NOR SHOULD THEY - if it's legal and they're law-abiding citizens.

The fact you continually try to discredit any thing that remotely asserts these people haven't been unfairly harmed/killed is really disturbing.

Just for brevity, what's your take on John Winkler's death? Here's a link to the story: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/los-an...dentally-killing-tosh-0-production-assistant/
 
LogGrad98 said:
One incident vs. one incident = anecdotal evidence.
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You are certainly correct. Anecdotes are not data. Do you question that black people get shoot more routinely than white people in similar circumstances? What sort of data would convincing to you?

Going back to a previous post, I heard last night the police shootings have decreased since the 1990s, particularly in urban areas. That was welcome news. For example:

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/nyregion/08nypd.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
 
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