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Graphic video released of police killing another black man in cold blood

Hack said:
Because you are trying to imply that if the guy were white then the situation would have happened a lot different. Maybe, but probably not.


I challenge any white man on the planet to walk into a public place and wave a real looking toy gun around until the cops are called and see just how tense the situation gets. The cops aren't going to treat you any different no matter what color you are in a situation like that. There is a good chance you get shot too. Especially if you are defiant and make stupid moves.

Go on YouTube and you can also find cops harassing white people with guns walking around out in the open just because they want to prove a point about guns rights. They too get shook down pretty hard.


Cops shouldn't be expected to be mind readers. They don't know what your intentions are, and everybody should be mindful of that when you encounter a cop.

I like the law. I don't want to live in a lawless country. I know cops have a tough job. Every time I've encountered police I've done exactly as they say and then go on about my day just fine without getting shot. I've had guns drawn on me in two separate occasions when I was younger. Both times were cases of mistakes by the cops. I got out of those situations just fine. Because I got the sense that one false move and I'm dead. It's pretty simple survival instincts really.

I'm not carrying around toy or real guns either so I guess that helps.
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Geez, you've really missed the point, which is that many of us (black, white, Hispanic, Asian, etc.) carry around in our minds beliefs about certain groups that are informed by various sources, such as popular culture, media, social networks, biases, bigotry, etc. that affect how we interpret and react to events. The study I cited suggests that many of us perceive, for whatever reasons, blacks to be more threatening than whites, which will unavoidably influence our thinking and behavior in certain situations. Given that the evidence suggests that people by and large perceive (for whatever reason) blacks to be more threatening, it follows logically than in situations where a threat might be perceived, we're more likely to perceive the threat if it involves a black person rather than a white person, thus increasing (at the margin) the likelihood that we'll react accordingly, such as, say, calling into 911 saying some guy is walking around threatening people with a gun or policemen perceiving a black guy with a gun is a greater threat than a white guy with a gun.

It's much, much more complex than simply racism.
 
fishonjazz said:
Grocery stores usually have things with baskets with wheels on them that you use to carry items that you intend to purchase.



How?
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Not to mention it was removed from its packing by a previous shopper. Normally they are in a box or tied to carboard somehow and possibly wrapped.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
Sorry, I seem to have missed all the signs indicating that failure to use the carts is a crime and punishable by death.
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You must have missed one brow post asking what else he could have done with his gun too.

I never said he deserved to get killed you silly goose.

One brow asked what is the proper way to carry the items that you plan to purchase around. I simply supplied him with an answer
 
Hack said:
lol

It's a good point, but it would cross the mind of a smart person that carry a real looking gun around for a long period in a store, talking on your phone and not shopping for anything else could look bad. Especially in this age of public shootings.


Look, just because giving some random kid some candy and an offer for a ride in your van is harmless if that's all you are doing, doesn't mean it's a good idea because of how it looks.

Does that help put it in perspective?
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Holy totally inappropriate analogy Batman!

I can't believe you just compared walking around a store with a BB gun you intend to purchase with inviting children into your van for candy. I mean, really??
 
Hack said:
The cops didn't handle the situation perfectly. They too could have come to the conclusion that it may be a toy since he was in a Walmart. But again, this wasn't a cop just strolling a long shopping and then ran across this guy with a gun. They received a 911 call saying there is a man in a store with a gun pointing it at people.

This case is entirely different than the SC case.

To your point, why don't they just get on the PA and announce there is a guy in the store with gun, just doesn't sound like a good idea to me. I'm sure most professionals would have pretty good reasons why not to do that in that situation. For one, it's gonna start a panic. Then you also warn the guy you are coming. What if the threat were real? Doing as you say and announcing a guys got a gun over the PA could cause all sorts of problems.

YouTube has more audio and video on the case.
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Of course this case is different, but are you suggesting that the cop in this case bears less responsibility for his actions than the cop in the South Carolina case? I don't agree. Despite the addition of a 911 caller (who I assume the policeman never communicated directly with, anyway) the cop should not have attacked with deadly force. There were all sorts of other options available to him. I agree with you that my suggestion to use the PA was not a good one. This is the sort of thing that I hope they spend a lot of time thinking about in order to develop best strategy for future occurrences. It sure seems like assessing the situation through use of the security cameras would have been a better method than rushing in with guns blazing. Had they done that, it would have been clear to them that no innocent people were currently in danger.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
It sure seems like assessing the situation through use of the security cameras would have been a better method than rushing in with guns blazing. Had they done that, it would have been clear to them that no innocent people were currently in danger.
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Because that's hindsight. The idea is to determine the threat while securing the public's safety as soon as possible. This generally requires a direct approach, rather than going to look at the tape. Any situation with people killed while police were in the video room would look extremely bad.
 
Welp, to me it looked like the dude was waving the gun back and forth. Then he noticed the cops and tried to dive out of the way, then he came back into the frame and tried to pick up the gun. And he got shot. From what I can see, I don't think it is that crazy that the cops would think he was armed and dangerous.

For fun I had my son (17 y.o,) my daughter (13 y.o.) and my wife watch it. With my son I prepped him that another racist pig cop shot another totally innocent black man in cold blood. He then watched the video and spewed crap about the horrible racist cops running rampant in this country. I prepped my daughter telling her that a gunman was in a walmart and was confronted by police. She said it looked like he was pointing the gun at someone and asked how many he killed before the police stepped in and saved everyone. I didn't tell my wife a single thing about any of it. Her response was the same as my daughters, and she said he looked like he was anxious and brandishing a weapon. We all then watched it together and talked about it. You can see that the dude is casually swinging the gun as if it is a toy, which it is. You can also see him dive off screen and then come back and try to pick up the weapon. To none of us did it look like a toy.

Verdict: cops may have acted somewhat rashly, but under the circumstances and with the supposed 911 call to back them up, they did nothing unexpected. As my daughter put it, especially considering all the mass shootings that have been happening, they had to do something.

Was it the right something? Well hind-sight is always 20-20.
 
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I watched the video from S. Carolina. Absolutely appalling. This former trooper should go to jail.

That said, what would have happened IF the encounter would not have been recorded? Here's my guess:

1. The State Trooper officials would back the officer and claim that it was a justified shooting, that the suspect made a threatening move (perhaps attacking the officer or, presumably, going for a gun) thus justifying the use of potentially deadly force.

2. Unquestioning lick spittles for the police, and authority in general, along with out and out racists would emerge from the woodwork to fill social media, blog-o-sphere and comment sections on web news sites with claims about how the trooper was a hero, was fully justified, that the suspect had it coming for this and this reason, etc.

3. The same people referenced in #2 would launch a crusade to dig dirt on the suspect and portray him as a gangster type lawbreaker who, if he didn't actually have it coming in this instance, certainly had it coming to him and this was karma and just desserts.

4. The trooper would get suspended for a period of time but allowed to return to his job.

5. No action would be taken to hold the trooper accountable.
 
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