GSW Draft Pick Watch

[NUMBERICA]

That GS went public with what?

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

double it from what? that makes it sound like there was some sort of preliminary understanding as to what the jazz would want in return. you can't double a price if a price wasn't already set.

This. Unfortunately to me, this sounds like we were or could be considering selling it as doubling a "price" usually revolves around something of monetary value. If that's the case, that sucks. That said, I doubt this is the case. Perhaps they offered us a future unprotected 1st (sounds about right) and we declined and so now KOC is saying we want two 1sts. I'd have trouble passing that up quite frankly.

 

[trigg3r]

This. Unfortunately to me, this sounds like we were or could be considering selling it as doubling a "price" usually revolves around something of monetary value. If that's the case, that sucks. That said, I doubt this is the case. Perhaps they offered us a future unprotected 1st (sounds about right) and we declined and so now KOC is saying we want two 1sts. I'd have trouble passing that up quite frankly.

My initial thought was two 1sts as well. As for the protection on those, the first would obviously have to be totally unprotected. The second would probably again have little protection associated with it. Otherwise, it wouldn't make sense from a Jazz standpoint. We would obviously be gambling on the Warriors continuing to be a lousy team for the next 4 years considering they would get their pick back this year and then we would get their unprotected next year as well as their pick in 14'/15' since they can't trade first rounders in back to back years. Otherwise, they would have to gain some other pick to use as compensation.... Seems like a HUGE gamble. Might be better off just keeping the pick if we end up with it. Otherwise, we could be really angry if Bogut and Currry end up healthy next season.

 

[theNBAnerd]

here's the full context of the conversation that led to jones' tweet. nothing too new here, other than confirmation that a) it was being discussed, b) KOC is pissed, and c) however difficult it was going to be for GSW to get the pick pack, it's now even more difficult.


Marcus Thompson ‏ @gswscribe
Toughest part about possibly losing a lottery pick is not just the selection, but the value it could be in a trade (move up or get a star)

21h Ben Shore ‏ @Ben5hore
@gswscribe very good point. anything still happening with those trade talks w/ Utah to try and get it back?

21h Marcus Thompson ‏ @gswscribe
Lacob mighta killed that. Utah was not happy he went public RT @Ben5hore anything happening re: trade talks w/ Utah to try and get it back?

20h Tony Jones ‏ @TonyAggieville
@gswscribe KOC told us that GSW would have to double their payment to get the pick back...jazz FO def not happy that GS went public

 

[sgjazzfan]

double it from what? that makes it sound like there was some sort of preliminary understanding as to what the jazz would want in return. you can't double a price if a price wasn't already set.

The payment would be the one pick we are supposed to get from them. Double the payment could mean two first round future picks, maybe unprotected next year then another protected pick in 2013?

 

[theNBAnerd]

The payment would be the one pick we are supposed to get from them. Double the payment could mean two first round future picks, maybe unprotected next year then another protected pick in 2013?

that doesn't make sense though... we're already owed the pick, so the "price" to adjust the protection on that pick has to be something incremental to what is already owed to us -- cash, most likely, or perhaps a 2nd round pick.

 

[trigg3r]

I think we should keep the pick if we get it. Even if they offered two future 1sts. Way too risky to continue to gamble on how good or bad they will be.

 

[trigg3r]

that doesn't make sense though... we're already owed the pick, so the "price" to adjust the protection on that pick has to be something incremental to what is already owed to us -- cash, most likely, or perhaps a 2nd round pick.

I doubt that. I highly doubt KOC would take cash or a 2nd rounder in order to gamble again for next year on an unprotected 1st. Not nearly enough.

 

[sgjazzfan]

that doesn't make sense though... we're already owed the pick, so the "price" to adjust the protection on that pick has to be something incremental to what is already owed to us -- cash, most likely, or perhaps a 2nd round pick.

I think you are reading too much into it. I don't think he wants double the payment because they went public, I would think that would be the price to trade it (at least I hope).

We are essentially trading the 8th pick in the draft, we better get better than a 2nd rounder or 2 (or 7 or 8 2nd rounders). Unless it was for 2 first rounders, or a proven player and an unprotected 1st rounder it would not make sense.

 

[trigg3r]

Can we all agree that if Bogut and Curry are healthy(big "if" I know) that the Warriors could possibly be a playoff team? I think it's too big of a risk to put off another year. If we get it this year then we should take it.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Not saying it's even possible but would you trade them the 8th pick for Curry given his ankles and what we already have at the 2? Would they given the evolution of Thompson? Could this have been a possibility?

 

[sgjazzfan]

Can we all agree that if Bogut and Curry are healthy(big "if" I know) that the Warriors could possibly be a playoff team? I think it's too big of a risk to put off another year. If we get it this year then we should take it.

I don't think we have to agree on that, we agree that next years draft is not as good, even if they end up with a pick around 7-8. But I also think GS will improve next year also, making the pick lower in a worse draft. Don't trade the pick KOC!

 

[trigg3r]

Not saying it's even possible but would you trade them the 8th pick for Curry given his ankles and what we already have at the 2? Would they given the evolution of Thompson? Could this have been a possibility?

I am not sure I would. Those ankle issues are scary.

 

[theNBAnerd]

I doubt that. I highly doubt KOC would take cash or a 2nd rounder in order to gamble again for next year. Not nearly enough.

well i guess that depends on what the nature of the negotiations is ... are they treating it like a conversation to amend the protections of the pick laid out in the original deal? or are they treating it like, once the jazz own the pick what would the cost be to get the pick from them? i'm not entirely sure what the nature of that conversation is going to be like.

also, according to GS's beat writer, there can't be any kind of deal until may 30 anyway... that's after the coin tosses AND after the lottery. so obviously negotiating positions will change when we're not talking about a hypothetical pick, but we know exactly what happened.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I think the odds that the 8th pick is better than Stephen Curry are worse than Curry's ankle getting back to full (or practically) full strength.

If they put up Curry, I make the trade.

 

[trigg3r]

well i guess that depends on what the nature of the negotiations is ... are they treating it like a conversation to amend the protections of the pick laid out in the original deal? or are they treating it like, once the jazz own the pick what would the cost be to get the pick from them? i'm not entirely sure what the nature of that conversation is going to be like.

also, according to GS's beat writer, there can't be any kind of deal until may 30 anyway... that's after the coin tosses AND after the lottery. so obviously negotiating positions will change when we're not talking about a hypothetical pick, but we know exactly what happened.

True. Obviously the coin toss will have determined where the pick stands at that point at until the lottery takes place. I would rather we take our chances if they fall out of the top 7 positioning wise at that date. Hopefully the lottery is kind to us and not to them. It would also be interesting to see what would happen if they weaseled their way into the 7th spot. I am sure at that point they would not want to give up much of value in order to protect themselves if a team were to leap them. Anyway, it should be interesting. I am hoping the Dubs win out.

 

[theNBAnerd]

It would also be interesting to see what would happen if they weaseled their way into the 7th spot. I am sure at that point they would not want to give up much of value in order to protect themselves if a team were to leap them.

according to @gwsscribe, there can be no trade and/or discussions about altering the pick until after the lotto, too, so they wouldn't have to worry at that point about who they would be leapfrogged by.

I think you are reading too much into it. I don't think he wants double the payment because they went public, I would think that would be the price to trade it (at least I hope).

We are essentially trading the 8th pick in the draft, we better get better than a 2nd rounder or 2 (or 7 or 8 2nd rounders). Unless it was for 2 first rounders, or a proven player and an unprotected 1st rounder it would not make sense.

oh i agree... you're not hearing what i'm saying. i'm saying that the warriors already owe us a pick. so if we let them keep this year's, then they OBVIOUSLY still owe us another one PLUS something else to make it worth it for us to delay the payoff. so i'm not saying we trade a top-8 pick for a second rounder or cash. i'm saying we delay getting that pick until next year, and we essentially get the pick PLUS an added bonus.

it's that added bonus that i'm saying could be something like cash or a late pick -- but we're for damn sure getting the original pick as well.

 

[sgjazzfan]

according to @gwsscribe, there can be no trade and/or discussions about altering the pick until after the lotto, too, so they wouldn't have to worry at that point about who they would be leapfrogged by.



oh i agree... you're not hearing what i'm saying. i'm saying that the warriors already owe us a pick. so if we let them keep this year's, then they OBVIOUSLY still owe us another one PLUS something else to make it worth it for us to delay the payoff. so i'm not saying we trade a top-8 pick for a second rounder or cash. i'm saying we delay getting that pick until next year, and we essentially get the pick PLUS an added bonus.

it's that added bonus that i'm saying could be something like cash or a late pick -- but we're for damn sure getting the original pick as well.

I know, and that would be ridiculous to trade the 8th pick in a deep draft for an unknown 1st rounder and second rounders or cash. I heard what you are saying, and I thought the first rounder was assumed. Its what we're getting beyond that that is the question, and I think that would have to be doubled, as in 2 first rounders to even consider it (and I don't think they should do that).

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think the odds that the 8th pick is better than Stephen Curry are worse than Curry's ankle getting back to full (or practically) full strength.

If they put up Curry, I make the trade.

I would to. How many times has a guy's career been held back because of ankle sprains? They suck, but most people get over them. It's not like we are dealing with knees.

 

[BluesRocker]

It's weird that Curry hurt his ankle multiple times a during a condensed time period. I would be a little bit worried that he did more damage not letting it heal correctly.

Just a thought.


I wouldn't be surprised if KOC did work a trade out of this pick.

I'd rather draft somebody than trade for Curry.

As far as trading the pick away. Everything has its price.