The more I see Harris play, the more I hate the way he plays. He constantly forces up difficult shots when he has open men with better shots available. I guess that's his style of play, but it sure isn't how you're supposed to play PG. It's like a quarterback who runs the ball more than his running backs. I hope the Jazz start looking for their PG of the future so they can get rid of him.
Harris Sucks as a PG
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When he plays aggressively the Jazz have won.
Watching tonight's game I think Harris is starting to "get" it. He's playing agressive when he has to (i.e., in transition, broken play), but he's becoming more composed and constructive in half court situation and deferring to guys like Hayward and Howard a bit more for playmaking rather than trying to do everything himself.
I've been impressed with Harris & Jefferson in this last game. They showed a lot of experience and leadership. If they can continue to play at this level, I think we've got a pretty good shot at making the playoffs.
I've been impressed with Harris & Jefferson in this last game. They showed a lot of experience and leadership. If they can continue to play at this level, I think we've got a pretty good shot at making the playoffs.
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Lol, Harris now has two assists of the night from NBA.com
Guitaro
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My main complaint with Harris was his lack of aggressiveness. He has since fixed that and the team is playing much better because of it. He isn't going to average 10 assists anytime soon but he is making plays when we need them. If he continues this upward progression then I don't mind keeping him on the team. The same with Watson, his defensive intensity has picked up and so he's one of the reasons we're playing better in that second unit.
You guys sounds like homers. The guy is always looking to get off his shot first before thinking to pass, and often still shoots when he has teammates who are wide open with much easier shots. Yes, he's better when he's more aggressive and like tonight, when he's hitting his shots. But the guy does not have the mentaility of a PG or a team player, for that matter. One telling example was when Millsap poked the ball away and both were going after the loose ball on the break. Harris got the ball but was guarded and fouled by Jack who was the sole defender. All Harris had to do was dribble through taking Jack with him and flip it back to Millsap who was trailing on his heels for an unmolested dunk.
davidbenoit
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I think Harris was trying to play the style that right4you so desperately wants him to play but the problem is it ISN'T his style. He's not a pass first point guard. He over-thinks when he tries to play that way. I think the last couple games he's realizing we have our best chance to win when he plays his style of play.
MoTappin
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I also think that Harris has improved. I don't really have a problem with him not assisting as much, as long as other guys are passing the ball as well. I think Gordon for example is a great passer and has shown he can facilitate for others (though I think he does it better at the 2). Another stat I would really like to see, above and beyond assists, is the number of passes per FG. That would be a telling stat, IMO. That would really show the level of selfish or unselfish play as a team.
As far as Harris goes, maybe they just need to let him play aggressively in his way. Seems to have worked that way in the games we have won. Use the talents we have instead of trying to make Harris play like John Stockton, when there will clearly never be another one of those.
The home games in January should be really good for us to figure things out, tighten the rotation, and get some confidence.
As far as Harris goes, maybe they just need to let him play aggressively in his way. Seems to have worked that way in the games we have won. Use the talents we have instead of trying to make Harris play like John Stockton, when there will clearly never be another one of those.
The home games in January should be really good for us to figure things out, tighten the rotation, and get some confidence.
friendsinmyhead
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The team looked better last night, but I think this is due to the competition and playing at home rather than Harris picking up his game. I thought his defense on Jack was horrible. He could not or would not stay in front of him, I watched him (Harris) jog back on defense and watch plays rather than getting involved. His "assists" are not assists they are simply throwing the ball around the horn and somebody takes the shot. he creates nothing, he does not open up the defense, does not pentrate and kick, he does not run pick and rolls ( the one time Harris and Jefferson ran a pick and roll it resulted in 2 pts).
I don't know if it is Corbin's offense or Harris inability, but our offense seems haphazard or "seat of the pants". There does not appear to be a lot of set plays.
I don't know if it is Corbin's offense or Harris inability, but our offense seems haphazard or "seat of the pants". There does not appear to be a lot of set plays.
I don't remember Jack beating Harris off the dribble but the screen and roll was problematic when Jefferson was the help defender. Millsap and Favors showed better on the screen and recovered. Jefferson stood there and let Jack take open jumpers-which he hit.
The team was forcing the Jack over the screen and baseline. The big was supposed to redirect the point guard away from the hoop and towards the baseline until Harris could recover. Harris did his job to force the pick and roll towards the baseline. The team could have executed this better
Most seemed to have missed the point of this thread. It did not say "Harris sucks at all times", it said "harris sucks as a pg".
He does suck as a pg. That pass last night to Milsap was brilliant but they are few and far between. He strikes me as a decent SG who pretends to be a PG. He does not seem good at all at getting the offense started. Great in transition, but beyond that, meh.
He does suck as a pg. That pass last night to Milsap was brilliant but they are few and far between. He strikes me as a decent SG who pretends to be a PG. He does not seem good at all at getting the offense started. Great in transition, but beyond that, meh.
This is what happens when you have Stockton and Dwill as your two main PG's over the last 25 years. People get spoiled. Harris made several nice passes last night. He isn't going to make every pass, but he usually makes the easy ones. He isn't selfish. I hardly see him taking many pull up jumpers or ill-advised shots. When he does shoot it is usually a spot up 3 or a drive. I think the key to our success this year will be the aggressiveness of Harris. When he gets going teams have trouble not fouling him, which leads to our whole team playing more aggressively. He may not make his teammates better with his passing, but I think the way he pushes tempo does.
Scorpjazz
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Perfect!
As you said, The key to Harris is he HAS to be aggressive.
Excellent analysis. He may not be in the top tier of point guards but he doesn't suck either. He is just a different type of point guard from what Jazz fans are used to. The issue for Harris is for him to keep up his aggressiveness throughout the season. I wonder if being on a losing team just demotivates him since that's what he attributed his lack of form in NJ to.
How does Harris compile assist when his main scoring threat is an ISO-post player? When his starting SG can't score? When his starting SF is playing weak? When his starting PF is in a shooting slump?
MoTappin
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This.