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Hayward an Allstar?

Hayward will never be a 23-25 ppg player. He's simply not on that level. Given maximum opportunity he's averaged 19/5/4. That's who he is and that's who he will continue to be. On a championship level team he's a third or fourth scoring option, 12-15 ppg. He's not a 23-25 ppg type who takes over games offensively on a regular basis.

If we are a good team this year as we all expect I think Rudy Gobert will make the All Star team. Our defense should be one of the best in the league which will be a good case for him. Hayward probably won't make it because of more hyped players in the west at the wing position KD, Klay, Harden, Khawi, and so on.
 
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SCS said:
Hayward will never be a 23-25 ppg player. He's simply not on that level. Given maximum opportunity he's averaged 19/5/4. That's who he is and that's who he will continue to be. On a championship level team he's a third or fourth scoring option, 12-15 ppg. He's not a 23-25 ppg type who takes over games offensively on a regular basis.

If we are a good team this year as we all expect I think Rudy Gobert will make the All Star team. Our defense should be one of the best in the league which will be a good case for him. Hayward probably won't make it because of more hyped players in the west at the wing position KD, Klay, Harden, Khawi, and so on.
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Eh. Curry has Thompson. Jordan had Bird. Malone had Stockton. Shaq and Penny, Wade, Kobe. LeBron had Wade/Bosh, Irivng/Love.

You can't win AND score a ton on your own.

Hayward will go to another level this year. I'm not saying he will be any of the players listed above, but he can get to 23-25 points per game and I think it happens this year.
 
I could see Hayward being an all star next year. But I actually see his minutes per game and points per game going down due to more scoring options and more depth.
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I think Haywards PPG/Apg both go up......I think with Exum SPG go up for the Jazz and team scoring goes up.I think GHill and JJohnson avg less than their 12 ppg last year.I think Hayward ,Hood ,Burks ,and Favors are the point makers for the Jazz this year with Exum and Lyles ready to assume a bigger scoring load by all star break.

At the end of games, you take the ball out of Hayward's hands and put it in Hill's.
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No you don't .....GHill's 3.5 apg last year tells you he's not a facilitator.I think Exum will lead Jazz in apg and easily.Guys here are trying to make GHill a more productive player than he has ever documented before.He's not a big scorer or delivers alot of assists,why can't he be what he is,a smart hardnosed ball player who complements the Jazz and adds depth.
 
What did Hayward average during the run with Exum and Gobert starting 2 years ago? I am guessing he is close to those numbers. Probably a little more efficient but a few less minutes so around the same PPG?APG averages.
 
What did Hayward average during the run with Exum and Gobert starting 2 years ago? I am guessing he is close to those numbers. Probably a little more efficient but a few less minutes so around the same PPG?APG averages.
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This isn't two years ago ,all 3 will be stronger and have better bbiq.Plus the Jazz have the personnel and depth to push and get more shots up.They won't be walking the ball up and milking the shot clock this year.
 
Here is another thing to consider. With Hill, Johnson, and Exum I expect the amount of possessions Utah has to go up. We had the fewest possessions in the NBA last year. It would not be difficult to get five more possessions per game and Hayward 2 more shots.
 
King Cy said:
The crazy thing is that the Warriors could have 4 all-stars on one team. Has that ever happened before? He has a chance if one of them gets bumped out because of the saturation on their team.
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It's happened 8 times total, with 3 times in the last 10 years (soon to be 4 times)

2006 Pistons - Hamilton, Billups, & both Wallaces
2011 Celtics - Rondo, Garnett, Pierce, Allen
2015 Hawks - Millsap, Teague, Horford, Korver
 
green said:
Eh. Curry has Thompson. Jordan had Bird. Malone had Stockton. Shaq and Penny, Wade, Kobe. LeBron had Wade/Bosh, Irivng/Love.

You can't win AND score a ton on your own.

Hayward will go to another level this year. I'm not saying he will be any of the players listed above, but he can get to 23-25 points per game and I think it happens this year.
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I hope you're right. Because if he does take that jump from a third/fourth best option on a championship contender to a 23-25 ppg scorer, a true #1 scorer/superstar who can takeover games, then we can be a championship contender. I just don't see it. I've heard for the last three off seasons that he's going to take this big leap and it hasn't really happened. Six years into his career I feel like we know who he is as a player.
 
SCS said:
I hope you're right. Because if he does take that jump from a third/fourth best option on a championship contender to a 23-25 ppg scorer, a true #1 scorer/superstar who can takeover games, then we can be a championship contender. I just don't see it. I've heard for the last three off seasons that he's going to take this big leap and it hasn't really happened. Six years into his career I feel like we know who he is as a player.
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538 did their NBA projections for next year. With their CARMELO score, Hayward is one of the most volatile players in the NBA. That means when it comes to WAR, Hayward has potential to regress back to where he was a few years ago (a nice role player, a Hood type player) or he has potential to explode and have a monster season (reach an all star level).

What gives me hope he will get better is that he has been playing PG for the last 2-3 years. Now, I'll give Hayward's success the last two years to Hayward's skill and Snyder's ability to coach. I think that Snyder is a good enough coach to put Hayward in positions to be more successful this year with more talent around him. If Hayward can be successful with 2-3 more shots, he is almost a 25 pt per night scorer.

And with how few possessions we had last year, finding 2-5 more shots for Hayward a game should be easy.
 
I think it depends on how good we are next year. If we are in the top 5 in the west I think Hood and/or Hayward will get a ton of recognition.
 
green said:
Eh. Curry has Thompson. Jordan had Bird. Malone had Stockton. Shaq and Penny, Wade, Kobe. LeBron had Wade/Bosh, Irivng/Love.

You can't win AND score a ton on your own.
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Weird post. Curry won and scored a ton. So did Jordan.
If you are saying that you have to have someone else score too then duh. I never heard of a player averaging 100 pts per game. Of course others have to score too.

I do know that lebron had a total **** team his first stint in Cleveland and still went to the finals a couple of times though.
 
green said:
Here is another thing to consider. With Hill, Johnson, and Exum I expect the amount of possessions Utah has to go up. We had the fewest possessions in the NBA last year. It would not be difficult to get five more possessions per game and Hayward 2 more shots.
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Hayward is on the court for less possessions (less minutes) due to more depth though so take those possessions away again.
 
fishonjazz said:
Weird post. Curry won and scored a ton. So did Jordan.
If you are saying that you have to have someone else score too then duh. I never heard of a player averaging 100 pts per game. Of course others have to score too.

I do know that lebron had a total **** team his first stint in Cleveland and still went to the finals a couple of times though.
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1 championship for Curry does not equal a ton.
 
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