Hayward & Jazz - not close to agreement (Hayward leaving 4/40 on the table)

[oldtimer]

Look at the contending teams. Miami 1st james, 2nd wade; third jar jar binks; fourth option Ray Allen. I'd say Hayward is a little better than Ray.

San Antonio 1st Parker; 2nd Duncan; Third Manny. I'd say Hayward is about as good as Manny.

Chicago 1st Rose; 2nd Noah; 3rd Deng. I'd say Hayward and Deng about equal.

On a contending team, Hayward is no better than the third option.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Problem is that the Jazz will usually have to pay a little more to players to land them. Especially now when we are so young and not a contender.

Restricted free agency literally erases this issue from being a consideration.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Do normal third options dish out 5 assists a game? Because that is what Hayward will likely do this year.

No, because they don't use enough possessions to.

 

[Jazz4ever]

Restricted free agency literally erases this issue from being a consideration.

But introduces many more, like owners who are oblivious to future luxury tax considerations.

 

[cowhide]

There is no way Hayward is worth 13 million a year. I would up the number to 11 (I think that is a lot of money). If he says no, then trade is but to a team with a 2014 high pick. The Jazz will have an issue after this draft at SG/SF when/if they draft Wiggins/Young/Parker/Harrison/Exum. I like Hayward but he is not a superstar and shouldn't be paid like one.

 

[franklin]

He is well over 5 assists per36 this preseason and is 3 years younger than Manu was before he even entered the league. He is doing it playing with some very raw big men and little outside shooting to boot. Give him Rush as a corner threat and I think he can do 5 in his sleep along with 16-17 points a game. Agreed he never gets to 60% TS, but that's still one helluva player.


Please quote where I stated he deserved the max also.

Solid rebuttal. Would rep the effort if I could.

 

[mhindy]

When Hayward sits 20 games with 'injuries' to help the tank it will hurt his value. Don't overpay.

 

[cowhide]

I knew signing Favors to 12 million a year was going to affect Hayward. Yea I know big men get paid more but Hayward has accomplished more than Favors.

 

[NUMBERICA]

But introduces many more, like owners who are oblivious to future luxury tax considerations.

I'm sorry, but are you suggesting that restricted free agency always leads to higher payouts on contracts? Because they don't. And knowing what a player is worth is better than playing roulette about a skill-set THAT HAS YET TO APPEAR.

 

[Stoked]

Is Hayward the man on a contending team?? No he's the third option.

Easy turbo. I'm speaking in general.

 

[Litany]

If it'll take more than $10mm to lock him up now or next offseason, the Jazz should look to trade Hayward. Let some other team overpay for an exclusively off-ball offensive player and slightly above average defender.

This is exactly how i feel about it!

 

[Siro]

I knew signing Favors to 12 million a year was going to affect Hayward. Yea I know big men get paid more but Hayward has accomplished more than Favors.

How much more? Favors averaged 9.4 ppg, 7.1 rpg, 1.7 bpg in 23.2 minutes. Hayward ended with 14.1 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 3.0 ast in 29.2 minutes. And that's ignoring the fact that Favors affects the game with his defense in ways that don't show up in stats.

I love Hayward at 10 million. I'll take him for 11. But I'd rather see him released for nothing than pay him 15 m/y.