Hayward & Jazz - not close to agreement (Hayward leaving 4/40 on the table)

[udflyer]

Celtics forum already has thread on how they want hayward since jazz won't extend him

 

[Jazz4ever]

I'm sorry, but are you suggesting that restricted free agency always leads to higher payouts on contracts? Because they don't. And knowing what a player is worth is better than playing roulette about a skill-set THAT HAS YET TO APPEAR.

This upcoming year is particularly risky. I believe Locke said 8 teams would have the room to take on a max player, and most of the good players from the 2010 class have been extended (George, Cousins, Favors, Wall, Sanders). Only Bledsoe and Monroe remain.

 

[franklin]

I'm sorry, but are you suggesting that restricted free agency always leads to higher payouts on contracts? Because they don't. And knowing what a player is worth is better than playing roulette about a skill-set THAT HAS YET TO APPEAR.

Steph Curry, currently ranked the 6th best player in the league by ESPN, signed in FA for 4/44. Bogut just signed an extension for 3/42 with incentives. Point NUMBERICA.

 

[franklin]

This upcoming year is particularly risky. I believe Locke said 8 teams would have the room to take on a max player, and most of the good players from the 2010 class have been extended (George, Cousins, Favors, Wall, Sanders). Only Bledsoe and Monroe remain.

I'd like to datestamp the point in time when Jazzfanz.com started worrying about overpaying a player out of fear. Was it pre-Ostertag or AK?

 

[Jazz4ever]

Steph Curry, currently ranked the 6th best player in the league by ESPN, signed in FA for 4/44. Bogut just signed an extension for 3/42 with incentives. Point NUMBERICA.

What number are you stopping at with Hayward in extension talks?

 

[franklin]

What number are you stopping at with Hayward in extension talks?

Tough to say. Your point makes it too difficult for either side to come to numbers. I might give him $12mm starting in a descending $42.78 over 4 with his last being $9.5. But like you say, he puts up some nasty and improving numbers. That and the next extension based on $9.5 instead of a max plus 7.5% makes it a bitch to get a deal done. He can get 30% of the cap in FA but 6+ year players are duly too worried about injury to risk going UFA.

What is your bottom line?

 

[trigg3r]

If it'll take more than $10mm to lock him up now or next offseason, the Jazz should look to trade Hayward. Let some other team overpay for an exclusively off-ball offensive player and slightly above average defender.

This.

 

[Jazz4ever]

Tough to say. Your point makes it too difficult for either side to come to numbers. I might give him $12mm starting in a descending $42.78 over 4 with his last being $9.5. But like you say, he puts up some nasty and improving numbers. That and the next extension based on $9.5 instead of a max plus 7.5% makes it a bitch to get a deal done. He can get 30% of the cap in FA but 6+ year players are duly too worried about injury to risk going UFA.

What is your bottom line?

Would go 12.5 over 4 front loaded as you said. If he doesn't live up to it, that contract still becomes tradeable then in its last two years if we need the cap space.

 

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If Steph Curry is actually the sixth best player in the NBA, then I'm the king of Africa.

 

[Siro]

Would go 12.5 over 4 front loaded as you said. If he doesn't live up to it, that contract still becomes tradeable then in its last two years if we need the cap space.

NOT what he said. He said 12m for the first year, declining to 9.5 for the last. Not 12.5 over 4!

 

[Stoked]

If Steph Curry is actually the sixth best player in the NBA, then I'm the king of Africa.

I didn't know you were from Memphis.

 

[LifeOnaPlate]

So the original post is borderline incoherent.