Hayward & Jazz - not close to agreement (Hayward leaving 4/40 on the table)

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@DJJazzyJody: Jazz GM Dennis Lindsey said Derrick Favors' agent's first question wasn't about money. It was: "Can you keep the young core together?"

@TNewm2215: "The first question Wallace (Derrick's agent) asked me wasn't how much money can we get, it was can you keep this young core together."

@Lockedonsports: Amazing to see Derrick Favors here and realize he is only 15 days older than Karl Malone when he debuted for Jazz

@DJJazzyJody: Dennis Lindsey: "We look forward to keeping the core together."

I like how Favors thinks because in the end if you make a few more millions but your team sucks then is it really worth it. Funny how players who haven't won a championship are signing for next to nothing to get a chance to do it.

The reason why the Jazz should not overpay for Hayward is because next season the Jazz have a very good chance of drafting his replacement.
Does anyone think Hayward is better than Parker/Wiggins? I am a big James Young fan and he would be nice to have too. Don't know if Young will be as good as Hayward but the difference isn't that great if Young is as good as I think he is.

When a team has options they should NOT over pay for a player. If Hayward is demanding too much money then he is expendable. One player does not make a team especially a Hayward type player. Do not get me wrong, I want Hayward on the team but at the right price. Anything over $10 million is too much and even that is too much in my opinion.

Front load the contract the first two years so his financial hit won't be so much when it is time to keep the other guys. In the end, the Jazz are going to lose one or two of their guys if they all pan out.

 

[Litany]

@DJJazzyJody: Jazz CEO Greg Miller on Gordon Hayward contract: "The sooner we can get all that worked out, the sooner it’s not going to be a distraction."

@DJJazzyJody: Miller: "We’ve seen a lot of growth and development with (Hayward) ... and I’m very interested in keeping him as a member of the Utah Jazz."

 

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That's exactly the kind of thinking that got us stuck with AK's contract and mediocrity for years to come. There's only so much cap space available. If you tie up nearly half of that with 2 players, those 2 players better be your two best players long-term, not right now when we stink.

These are the same sentiments I have! Back before we drafted D Will and traded for Boozer, AK was the man and looked great - on a crappy team that didn't make the playoffs. I just remember in 07-09 when all we were missing was one player to win it all. AK's contract was the reason we couldn't sign anyone.. Hayward is a great player with a great skill set, but I also think he isn't worth more than 10 million a year.

 

[Sneakers]

G time gonna get paid. Greg Miller gonna cave. I can understand from a business and marketing side, though not a basketball side. Hope he can live up to it

 

[Gameface]

It sucks that so many other teams are willing to overpay and cause players like Hayward to overestimate their own value. I mean, I guess if some team out there will pay him $13M next year then he's "worth" that much, but he's not worth that much and giving him that much could ruin the good thing the Jazz have going.

 

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I bett they settle on 4/44. I am on board with that..

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

That's exactly the kind of thinking that got us stuck with AK's contract and mediocrity for years to come. There's only so much cap space available. If you tie up nearly half of that with 2 players, those 2 players better be your two best players long-term, not right now when we stink.

Except AK's contract was ten times worse then what Hayward wants. AK got17million a year for I think 6or 7 years. I'm talking about giving him 12 over 4 years. That's 5million less and 3 less years. So don't compare the two.

 

[Sneakers]

I'd be down for that too. But all of the rumors have been higher than that

 

[b_line]

Except AK's contract was ten times worse then what Hayward wants. AK got17million a year for I think 6or 7 years. I'm talking about giving him 12 over 4 years. That's 5million less and 3 less years. So don't compare the two.

And the cap will be higher at the end of Haywards contract. comparing the Hayward situation to the AK contract is laughable. I think AK's last year was over 18 million... Hayward's last year at over 11 or 12? Not terrible. And to all those saying that Hayward will never make an all star team - You are wrong. The kid is good. Not first option good. But he will be a fringe all star every year of this contract moving forward. He is going to look every bit as good as Paul George did last year in this coming season.

 

[b_line]

I'd be down for that too. But all of the rumors have been higher than that

Rumors don't mean that is what he is getting. Plus the rumor is that he turned down an offer of 10 mil per year, so logically it would be somewhere in the middle of 12-13 and the 10 that was offered.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

And the cap will be higher at the end of Haywards contract. comparing the Hayward situation to the AK contract is laughable. I think AK's last year was over 18 million... Hayward's last year at over 11 or 12? Not terrible. And to all those saying that Hayward will never make an all star team - You are wrong. The kid is good. Not first option good. But he will be a fringe all star every year of this contract moving forward. He is going to look every bit as good as Paul George did last year in this coming season.

Well said and agree

 

[udflyer]

I bett they settle on 4/44. I am on board with that..

I bet they settle on 4/46

I am not a fan of some of the quotes obviously taking jabs at Hayward. This is a business. Players need to look out for themselves.

Though just a few quotes, it seems as though Jazz want this behind them

Hayward should buy all in attendance a free Dog&Beer Wednesday nite if he gets the Jazz to cave