Nonsense. We could have given them the Gobert-of-the-East (Tomic).
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Nonsense. We could have given them the Gobert-of-the-East (Tomic).
Why do you assume that I assume that the Jazz didn't offer a second round pick?
The argument was against those who said Ainge should have given us the TPE for free.
Jack Strop
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They help a competitor. Boston still needs another player to add to IT/Hayward. Giving Utah a TPE may put the Jazz in a better position trade-wise next summer.
Also, do you think if Utah were to add a player now or next year and finish with a better record than Boston, Ainge wouldn't take a lot of heat?
There is ZERO reason for Ainge to give Utah a TPE. I understand why he's not going to do it. It may seem like a courtesy to Jazz fans with their blinders on, but there's no reason for hi to do it. He doesn't care about his image. He WANTS to be seen as a ruthless, cutthroat GM.
Jack Strop
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Ainge doesn't walk that way. He makes outrageous demands; in essence playing "chicken." He's done this from Day 1. It's the reason he's been able to stockpile so many draft picks. TBH, I hate him as a person, but he's a pretty damn good GM. If you want something he has, you're going to pay for it on his terms. Every GM knows that; they've known it for the past decade.
Ok. Guess I misjudged the point of your post.
Magic Spray
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Good. No favors from Boston. Let the hatred be pure.
As someone pointed out earlier, Hayward could easily force this to happen. If he really cared about the Jazz like he said in his farewell article, he would... and as there would be no loss of assets for the Celtics there's no argument against doing it. That bears repeating. Over and over again.
How? You expect Hayward to refuse to sign with the Celtics just because Ainge won't help the Jazz? What's he going to do then? Go sign with Indiana? It doesnt bear repeating because it's a ridiculous assertion.
What if Ainge gives the Jazz this TPE and down the line the Jazz and Celtics are both trying to get the same player in a trade but Utah is able to win out in part due to the TPE the Celtics gifted them? This is cutthroat tactics by Ainge. Maybe it comes around back to him someday when he loses a player in UFA and the other team refuses to give him a TPE, but I frankly dont think he gives a ****.
That's a much less likely scenario than his son losing a congressional seat. It's also a scenario as likely as him needing to cash in a favor from us in the future. It's also as likely as him losing out on people willing to deal with him. There are many likely outcomes but you're simply choosing to see one just because that's how it went down.
Oh please dude. If a voter is pissed at Tanner Ainge for his dad stealing Hayward, getting a ****ing TPE isnt going to change their already dumbass vote.
Ainge is playing cutthroat, he isn't expecting a favor from anyone. He expects teams to want to get better and to pay for it because he has the prime assets. People need to grow up an stop thinking the Celtics should give us pity favors.
You going to tell me just because Ainge has been a meany poopy pants that people are going to stop trying to trade for Jae Crowder or the 2018 Brooklyn pick? Please. You know what happens if you don't? You deal Paul George for Donatas Sabonis and Victor "overpaid as ****" Oladipo and **** your franchise for another 4 years like the Pacers did. Ainge is just laughing his *** off at that.
You're playing the "what if giving the TPE screws him" hypothetical, as if there aren't alternative hypotheticals that can bite him in the *** if he doesn't do it.