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How should a history teacher handle the "N" word?

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A white Utah teacher violated school district policy by using a racially charged word in his junior high class, an official said.

Weber School District spokesman Nate Taggart said appropriate administrative action was taken against South Ogden Junior High history teacher Douglas Barker. Taggart declined to provide further details, citing the teacher's privacy rights.

Barker used the N-word before showing his class of eighth-graders the Civil War movie "Glory," Taggart said.

"That is not appropriate language to use in any classroom context," Taggart said.

Barker said in an email Wednesday that he was making sure his students understood why the word would be used in the film. He said he told his students that it is not an appropriate term.

https://www.sltrib.com/home/3855962-155/official-south-ogden-teacher-violated-policy
 
In my opinion he shouldn't be showing a movie that uses the word to junior high kids. It was rated R for a reason, that being part of it.
 
In my opinion he shouldn't be showing a movie that uses the word to junior high kids. It was rated R for a reason, that being part of it.

I guess he could be lying but he said he showed the PG version of the movie. I personally would never do that in his position because of the potential back lash, which he received. I do not think what he did is something he should be fired for. I also think the mother being interviewed does not know what happened and her son probably tried to make big deal out of it to her based on her quotes about this incident.
 
How about classic literature like Huck Finn? Gone With The Wind? Uncle Tom's Cabin? To kill a mockingbird? Of Mice and Men? Grapes of Wrath? From Here to Eternity? At what age do you think school aged children should be required to read these?

To me, being taught what the word means and what it stands for is preferable to attempting to scrub it from our history by trying to hide it from jr. high aged children. And using the term "N-word" seems sophomoric at best. In sex ed class does the school prefer the teacher use terms like the "P-word" and "V-word" when describing human anatomy? No, it is a serious discussion deserving of adult words. The teacher in this story appears to have been trying to educate his students and have an adult conversation. As long as he was not using the word ****** in a derogatory manner and explaining why it is such a hateful word and should never be used in such a manner I have no problem with it.

Then again this just may be my "white privilege" talking out my ***...
 
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How about classic literature like Huck Finn? Gone With The Wind? Uncle Tom's Cabin? To kill a mockingbird? Of Mice and Men? Grapes of Wrath? From Here to Eternity? At what age do you "allow" school aged children to read these or do you ban them outright?

To me, being taught what the word means and what it stands for is preferable to attempting to scrub it from our history by trying to hide it from jr. high aged children. And using the term "N-word" seems sophomoric at best. In sex ed class does the school prefer the teacher use terms like the "P-word" and "V-word" when describing human anatomy? No, it is a serious discussion deserving of adult words. The teacher in this story appears to have been trying to educate her students and have an adult conversation. As long as she was not using the word ****** in a derogatory manner and explaining why it is such a hateful word and should never be used in such a manner I have no problem with it.

Then again this just may be my "white privilege" talking out my ***...

This.
 
In my opinion he shouldn't be showing a movie that uses the word to junior high kids. It was rated R for a reason, that being part of it.

Well that is your opinion. I do not know where you are from but I grew up in Utah and Glory was a standard in 8th or 9th grade jr high history. We was all sent home w a permission slip for mommy and daddy to sign. Pretty sure that movie was a big reason I did not become more racist like most Utahans were in the 70's 80's and 90's. Being exposed to the nastiness in life helps us grow as childs. Are you going to say next that penis and vagina should not be spoke in 5th grade sex ed? Or that drivers ed should not scare the living day lights out of students w graphic stories of car crashes?

Sheltering is seldom the right policy
 
How about classic literature like Huck Finn? Gone With The Wind? Uncle Tom's Cabin? To kill a mockingbird? Of Mice and Men? Grapes of Wrath? From Here to Eternity? At what age do you "allow" school aged children to read these or do you ban them outright?

To me, being taught what the word means and what it stands for is preferable to attempting to scrub it from our history by trying to hide it from jr. high aged children. And using the term "N-word" seems sophomoric at best. In sex ed class does the school prefer the teacher use terms like the "P-word" and "V-word" when describing human anatomy? No, it is a serious discussion deserving of adult words. The teacher in this story appears to have been trying to educate his students and have an adult conversation. As long as he was not using the word ****** in a derogatory manner and explaining why it is such a hateful word and should never be used in such a manner I have no problem with it.

Then again this just may be my "white privilege" talking out my ***...

I did not ever read this before responding. You took the words out of my mouth!
 
I think Scat summed it up perfectly. Ignoring it won't make it go away. I would prefer my soon to be jr high student have it be explained than wonder about it.
 
I think we need a law requiring the media to stay out of situations like this and another creating a state commission who counter sews these fools like the parent and Taggart. Like that dumb bitch Saratoga Springs mom of the sword kid who died. Okay so your son swings at police and posts on Facebook that he is going to commit suicide by police. We offer you a million dollars to shut up? How about we put you in prison. That will solve these outrageous claims. You know it is bad when the posts on sltrib are all against this.
 
Things like this kind of bother me. Like Scat said, I don't think the correct answer is to bury our heads in the sand and pretend that some words don't exist or some events never happened. I feel this way whenever I hear of another 100+ year old Confederate monument coming down. I don't agree with what happened, but maybe by studying it out and trying to understand what they were thinking I can broaden my own way of thinking. Or I guess I can always run to my "safe place" where nobody can hurt me. I think people need to be really careful when they start whitewashing (can I even say that anymore?) history.
 
I think school is probably the best environment for the history of the n-word to be introduced, and instructed as to why it's so damaging, and why it should never be said.

With that said I figure the best solution is consulting with black communities when trying to establish the proper curriculum with regards to civil rights, and the right way to discuss this history can be disseminated. That's probably the biggest problem here-- staff don't really know what to do with the topic, so they either avoid it altogether or stumble like this guy.

Things like this kind of bother me. Like Scat said, I don't think the correct answer is to bury our heads in the sand and pretend that some words don't exist or some events never happened. I feel this way whenever I hear of another 100+ year old Confederate monument coming down. I don't agree with what happened, but maybe by studying it out and trying to understand what they were thinking I can broaden my own way of thinking. Or I guess I can always run to my "safe place" where nobody can hurt me. I think people need to be really careful when they start whitewashing (can I even say that anymore?) history.

Let's come up with a comparison-- should Jewish ppl have allowed Germany to keep Hitler statues at the end of WWII in order to "understand history"?
 
I think school is probably the best environment for the history of the n-word to be introduced, and instructed as to why it's so damaging, and why it should never be said.

Well, I think HOME is the best environment for that, but I think school is ALSO a good environment. I just disagreed that 8th grade was the proper time. 11th grade? Sure. Maybe even 10th grade.
 
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