I'd rather have Kemba than Klay

[Miggs]

Klay is 41.9% from 3 for his career and hasn’t ever shot below 40% for a season. With or without Curry (missing all those games) or Durant.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Honestly a little shocked this is a question. It seems pretty cut and dry to me. Seems like the jazz got more wide open three attempts than anyone. Klay could find unbelievable rhythm here, and provide even more spacing than Korver did for us.

 

[Miggs]

Kemba also offers no positional versatility/switchability.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yeah, I'd take Klay for the defense and shooting. I get the sentiment though.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Is he really a liability on defense? He can break down defenses. I don't see a problem having two Mitchell's, it's what we need. I like Klay but he's a Korver on steroids with +defense.

Yeah, he's a liability because of his size. Hes an Ok defender for his size, but he isn't Chris Paul.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

This. Klay could score 25-27 points per game if he didn’t have Durant on the team. People acting as if Klay is just a really good shooter and that’s it underestimate his overall offensive skills.

I don't think he could. I think he's firmly capped at a low 20 ppg scorer.

 

[yamers]

You get klay

 

[Miggs]

I don't think he could. I think he's firmly capped at a low 20 ppg scorer.

Def 23-24 imo.

 

[cowhide]

Klay all the way. I like Kemba but Klay is underrated because he plays with KD and Curry. However, he is not leaving GS especially if KD leaves.

 

[cowhide]

Klay could easily average 25 pt a game if he was the first or second option. Dude scored 37 pts in a quarter.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Def 23-24 imo.

How many guys have averaged that with free throw rates as low as Thompson?

 

[gregbroncs]

Klay is one hell of a defensive player. Plus the refs let him maul ppl But either would be amazing Depends whether you want Donovan to be PG or not

Just have Ingles be PG on offense and Mitchell on defense.

 

[Miggs]

How many guys have averaged that with free throw rates as low as Thompson?

Who are three people who have not been in my kitchen?!

 

[NAOS]

Just have Ingles be PG on offense and Mitchell on defense.

We need to decrease Ingles' burden. He can play PG for the bench unit; that worked well this year.

 

[Miggs]

Klay is a very rich man’s Wally Szczerbiak. That’s not a knock, but I don’t think he’d look as good outside that system. He’d still look good, just not quite as good as he currently looks.

He looked as good outside the system before Kerr and Durant arrived

 

[gregbroncs]

We need to decrease Ingles' burden. He can play PG for the bench unit; that worked well this year.

I agree to a point. But you do that by reducing minutes not taking away something he's generally good at. He's good in the PNR, He's good as a shooter. You can still run the offense through Mitchell and Klay. I choose Klay because he's better than Kemba, and he doesn't take the ball out of Mitchell's hands nearly as often as Kemba would.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

How many guys have averaged that with free throw rates as low as Thompson?

Thompson is on the short list of the greatest shooters of all time, he’s one of the few that is unique in that he wouldn’t need to go to the line to score in the 20’s. Also few score as well as Klay using the amount of dribbles Klay does in a game. He’s just a shot maker. He would find plenty of open shots in Utah, the offense is perfectly designed to get him tons of great shots. Look what Quin did with Ingles, fact is Quin is better at player development than Kerr. I think under Quin, Klay could add to his game and be even better. IMO of course. Cy raises a good point but Klay isn’t like other players who need to dominate the ball to put up stats.

Just have Ingles be PG on offense and Mitchell on defense.

Agreed, plus they share that duty. When Mitchell has it going and being unstoppable, let him run the team, if not that’s where Ingles comes in.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

It’s. Not that hard.

 

[NAOS]

I agree to a point. But you do that by reducing minutes not taking away something he's generally good at. He's good in the PNR, He's good as a shooter. You can still run the offense through Mitchell and Klay. I choose Klay because he's better than Kemba, and he doesn't take the ball out of Mitchell's hands nearly as often as Kemba would.

I said absolutely nothing about reducing Ingles' minutes or, strictly speaking, his usage. I talked about reducing his burden. And there are definitely ways to do that without reducing his minutes. To me, your post seems reductive and confused.

All that being said, it would be fair to conclude that we should probably reduce Ingles' minutes a little, in addition to his burden. One way we do the latter is to increase his usage versus bench units (something Q has already shifted into). One good way we do the former is to get a legit playmaker and scorer for the starting unit (where Joe can be more of a spot-up shooter: something he's very effective at; and something which carries less burden within the structure of the offense). Kemba is a far superior ball handler and playmaker to Klay.

One last super-relevant critique of your post: to simply state that Klay is "better" than Kemba, period, is more reduction and confusion. As a general statement, it is very easy to disagree with.

 

[Pastramiking]

Klay is a better defender and a better catch and shoot guy. In Utah, he would either have to play the 3 or Mitchell would have to move to starting PG