Chad Feldheimer
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You mean the guy who played 9 games last year and has missed 1/3 of his career games due to injury and just signed a max deal?
"In retrospect, King won the Williams' trade in a landslide."
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You mean the guy who played 9 games last year and has missed 1/3 of his career games due to injury and just signed a max deal?
Weezur
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theNBAnerd
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favors is a potential star; marvin is already better than a mere role player and has a lot of time left to improve with a lot of raw ability; it's too early to call the GS pick a scrub OR a game-changer, we don't even know who it's going to be; and kanter has the size and strength to be a beastly NBA big man, he just needs to put it together.
it's not an assumption. he spent all-star weekend telling people he was going and the jazz got wind of it. not to mention a handful of PUBLIC comments that were thinly veiled (or not-at-all veiled) threats that he fully intended to walk.
and if you're following the DW saga this summer, he didn't stay for the extra $ (which, by the way, is not a $30M difference under this CBA... check your facts). he stayed because they went out and got him an all-star backcourt running mate. he has said as much publicly.
a recent 3rd pick, a future 3rd pick, a recent 5th pick which we then parlayed into a recent 2nd pick, and an extra lottery pick to boot. think back to draft day and how much teams were willing to give up for a solitary top 10 pick... we gave up a disgruntled guy who had already quit on his coach and essentially shown a tendency to pack it in for 3, 3, 5/2 and 9. that's an amazing haul even if deron wasn't a mortal lock to bolt SLC the following summer.
Yes, him. The one who can actually make a difference. And his injury this year was a blessing for NO. Next year he is young and healthy with Davis on the team as well. This reminds me how OKC was built. Great young players, took time to win and assembled more great young players via draft. Gordon is such great young player. Favors and Kanter do not appear to be anywhere near that level.
theNBAnerd
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i'm going to go out on a limb and say that no team that calls eric gordon its best player will ever advance to the second round of the playoffs.
Weezur
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Anthony Davis will probably be the best player. NOH got lucky with that.
theNBAnerd
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oh i agree. i'm just saying that anybody who thinks eric gordon is franchise cornerstone material will probably be disappointed. he might turn out to be a good robin if davis becomes a powerful batman, but i have a hard time picturing gordon being the best player on a legit contender.
Eric may be Robin to batman, but Favors and Kanter look like regular folks. My point was that unlike KOC, who jumped the gun and got average players, NO actually got some proven great young talent for their superstar. And yes, NO still lost in that trade, but not in a one way landslide fashion, like King raped KOC.
margodydek
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Hey Borat, can you explain to me why NJ didn't improve (in the standings) after the trade, and we got better? I'm looking forward to you really selling me on Brook Lopez.
TheSilencer1313
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Not to mention the Jazz are in the west, and were an eighth seed last year.
The equivalent to about a 5th or 6th seed in the east.
The Jazz went from no playoffs (in a half D-Will, half Harris season), to playoff contention in the west over one season.
Doesn't sound like half a bad trade to me.
The only trade that puts NJ in playoff contention at all is the Joe Johnson trade.
The Williams trade lost them more then they'll probably ever get back.
The evidence of this is the horrendous Gerald Wallace deal, the even worse Kris Humphries deal, and the fact that they keep holding onto scrubs like Brook Lopez.
Stifle Tower
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There were two ways to do a Deron trade:
1) Follow the Denver model and get a few good, but not great players. Was/Is Denver better than Utah. Yes, but now what? They're stuck in mid-playoff territory with no real chance of contending unless they cut payroll and then sign some impact FA's.
2) Go for broke with a rebuild and trade for assets. The key piece is obviously Favors. It's very difficult to get quality bigs, and if one comes on the market, you have to overpay by a LOT (Asik, Nen, McGee, just to name a few). Will Favors ever be a superstar? Probably not. But he's already shown great defensive promise. Plus, they get (at worst) a serviceable center in Kanter. Harris netted Marvin Williams, who at worst is either a quality SF or a salary slot that can be used for a FA and the GS draft pick is still TBD.
Did Brooklyn "win" the trade? Certainly didn't the first 1 1/2 years (zero playoffs for Brooklyn vs. 1 for Utah). Will they this season? Probably. Nets should have a 50-55 win year. But welcome to luxury tax hell, Brooklyn. No biggie for Prokhorov. He doesn't care about paying tax through the end of the contracts for Johnson and Wallace. But let's see what happens when those contracts are up. If the Nets haven't won a championship, they'll have to play for a year with Deron + scrubs as I doubt even Prokhorov wants to pay the "repeat offender" tax, which uses a 2 1/2 x multiple to calculate the tax.
And let's see how Favors, Kanter, the GS pick and either Marvin, or the player we get for his salary slot turn out. Given Utah's situation (small market, owners not billionaires), I'd take an all-star quality player + three other solid starters/6th men for a MAX PG.
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theNBAnerd
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motown, i think you meant "deron trade"...
aside from that, i agree with just about everything there. except that i'm not ready to say favors won't become an all-NBA level player. he has gotten better since being here, he's starting to play more confident, and he just hit a ripe old 21 years of age. i realize gordon is young, too -- he'll turn 24 later this year -- but i think his ceiling is already a little better defined.
put another way, i'd rather have a package built around favors than a package built around gordon. if either of them is going to become an unstoppable force someday, it's derrick.
aside from that, i agree with just about everything there. except that i'm not ready to say favors won't become an all-NBA level player. he has gotten better since being here, he's starting to play more confident, and he just hit a ripe old 21 years of age. i realize gordon is young, too -- he'll turn 24 later this year -- but i think his ceiling is already a little better defined.
put another way, i'd rather have a package built around favors than a package built around gordon. if either of them is going to become an unstoppable force someday, it's derrick.