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Is anyone else tired of the JAZZ's lack of trying to contend for a ring?

Lakers_Slapper

Lakers_Slapper

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Ive been a Jazz fan since I was a kid in the mid 90's. I have been spoiled by seeing a Jazz team that contends year after year, and is known for being one of the best (if not the best) team in the west. I see teams like the Lakers trading and aquiring players year after year, and trying to stay competitive for a championship run. I know they have almost double the cap space the Jazz do, but they always have. And that never stopped the Jazz from staying competetive before. In fact we used to own the Lakers in the 90's. That credit may be due to Stockton and Malone, but you can't tell me that the Jazz are doing all they can do to win a championship. Its like KOC and G Miller are content with a medi-ocre team! How do we accept knowing building a championship team is not on their gameplan? Small market teams can win! Just look at the Spurs.
 
Here give us another $100 million in revenue like the Lakers and we'll see what we can do.

Let's just go $30 million over the cap... no problem!
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
Ive been a Jazz fan since I was a kid in the mid 90's. I have been spoiled by seeing a Jazz team that contends year after year, and is known for being one of the best (if not the best) team in the west. I see teams like the Lakers trading and aquiring players year after year, and trying to stay competitive for a championship run. I know they have almost double the cap space the Jazz do, but they always have. And that never stopped the Jazz from staying competetive before. In fact we used to own the Lakers in the 90's. That credit may be due to Stockton and Malone, but you can't tell me that the Jazz are doing all they can do to win a championship. Its like KOC and G Miller are content with a medi-ocre team! How do we accept knowing building a championship team is not on their gameplan? Small market teams can win! Just look at the Spurs.
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It is time for cap space and history 101 again. In theory we are in the early 80 part to the Jazz's cycle. Back when they had just drafted Stockton and Malone. They weren't good. In fact it took them over a decade to become contender's. Just because you only remember the days of contention, does mean their weren't years and years of time to get there. In the 90's the Lakers had a generation of great players retire. They had to get Shaq and Kobe and then wait as they developed for years to become champs.

Watch once Kobe and Pau and Nash retire the Lakers will be bad for a while. If they keep Bynum they won't be terrible but they won't be contender's either.

Best case scenario this year is our young guys take ownership of the team and put us into the playoffs. Maybe we can win 2 or 3 games. The next offseason is going to be the critical one. Who do we keep? Who goes? Is Favors an All-Star caliber player? Did Hayward get better? Etc.

Really all you are saying is that you are really, really impatient.

As for the Salary Cap space stuff, I don't even want to take the time to talk about.
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
Ive been a Jazz fan since I was a kid in the mid 90's. I have been spoiled by seeing a Jazz team that contends year after year, and is known for being one of the best (if not the best) team in the west. I see teams like the Lakers trading and aquiring players year after year, and trying to stay competitive for a championship run. I know they have almost double the cap space the Jazz do, but they always have. And that never stopped the Jazz from staying competetive before. In fact we used to own the Lakers in the 90's. That credit may be due to Stockton and Malone, but you can't tell me that the Jazz are doing all they can do to win a championship. Its like KOC and G Miller are content with a medi-ocre team! How do we accept knowing building a championship team is not on their gameplan? Small market teams can win! Just look at the Spurs.
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You do know that the Jazz did improve the team right. Also they are expecting improvement from within the team, speaking of the young 4.

As for the the Lakers acquisitions, we had no shot at those players. The lakers worked a sign and trade for Nash. Nash wasn't going to sign to come to the Jazz. Jamison wasn't going to take the league minimum to play for the Jazz like he did for the Lakers.

You need to understand that it's much more difficult for a small market team to contend. The only reason the Spurs are contending is because of a rash of injuries one year, and the lotto going in their favor at the same time Duncan entered the draft, also getting lucky late in the draft getting Parker, and then even more luck getting Ginobili in the second round. I've never seen a more lucky team in all my life.

The Jazz have always had the goal of winning a chip, but have made mistakes, like giving too much money to mediocre players that prevented them from adding on significant pieces. One example would be AK making max money and being no better then a good roll player. Please tell me how the jazz weren't trying to contend.
 
Coloradojazzfan said:
Here give us another $100 million in revenue like the Lakers and we'll see what we can do.

Let's just go $30 million over the cap... no problem!
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Well this and the fact it's probably the most, Lakers and Celtics are debatable, storied franchise in probably the most popular city in America.
 
freakazoid said:
Already taken. Fry sauce and focus hats 101. It's starts just as soon as I get at least 8 people to sign up. Only need 7 more, unless the teacher doesn't count, then it might be more.
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Is this a prerequisite for Signage 101?
 
I think I raised this topic in General NBA sometime back.I'll raise it again. what financial incentive does a small market team like the Jazz with an owner like Greg have to win it all? Forget the prestige, or the label associated with it and all that. Just thinking in terms of pure $$$, if the Jazz were a perennial playoff team(or atleast made playoffs most seasons) would it be just a pure financial risk for them to go above LT limits or break the bank in the hopes of getting over the hump and winning it all for maybe just one year? would they be better off playing it safe and trying to be a mid-seed playoff team year after year than risk it all for maybe one title? I think they would be better off staying "competetive" most years than risk stinking it up for several years after enduring a bank-breaking season or two in which they may/may not win it all. Thoughts?
 
To the OP : Its not for nothing do they say that being a Jazz fan is all about the journey, not the destination.It doesnt matter in what round you get your behinds handed to you in the playoffs. Its about how the team reached that round in the first place. Keep expectations low(I know its hard to do) and maybe you'll have more fun.
 
For being champion, you gotta either draft elite prospects or just buy superstars. While big markets such as Miami, Lakers etc buy superstar players and try to reach it fast; the smal market teams such as Thunder, jazz, Spurs etc draft elite and right prospects and wait till they get matured and ready for the competition.

The jazz organization is not a perfect destiny for the superstars even you are willing to pay them whatever they wanna so we gotta keep waiting youngsters' maturity.
 
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