Islamists kill 12 people in France during attack on newspaper office.

[fishonjazz]

Because we live in a free society, and we shouldn't be worried for our lives if we offend the sensibilities of the wrong group.

Maybe you only read the first paragraph of my post.

 

[Siro]

Maybe you only read the first paragraph of my post.

I don't see anything in the rest of the post that nullifies the first part. In fact, it's not really relevant as Islamic militant are not part of our society, and they're not killing anyone because they've become soft and intolerant of political incorrectness...

 

[Deleted member 848]

Not to condone the killings, but why did they have to make fun of the prophet? Maybe a better thing to do would be respectful of other cultures and religion.

At the same time, I think we have gotten to sensitive as a society and way to politically correct and it's dumb that people get so offended so easily and feel that they need to punish the offenders.

So basically....... get some thicker skin Muslim extremists

People have every right to make fun of the prophet. IMO there's better humour out there, but I really dgaf if a satirist criticizes our prophet or draws him-- and neither should all Muslims.

 

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https://www.cnn.com/2015/01/07/europe/france-satire-magazine-gunfire/index.html

(CNN)Hooded, black-clad gunmen burst into the office of provocative French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdoon Wednesday, killing 12 -- an attack that could be a game changer, given that the terrorists appeared well-armed, well-coordinated and, since they escaped onto the streets of Paris, capable of striking again.While Europe is no stranger to militant Islamist terrorism in the age of al Qaeda and now ISIS, this was no "lone wolf" attack involving one person as has happened in the past. The assailants concealed their identities and seemed very organized, right down to their getaway.
The fact they remained at large Tuesday night means another bloodbath could happen at any time, whether or not the Charlie Hebdo attackers belonged to a larger group.

 

[fallenchicken]

I just hope there isn't a lot of victim blaming after this.

There is nothing a woman can wear/do that "provokes" a man into raping her, and there is nothing these cartoonists drew that provoked their slaughter. The responsibility for this awful crime lies solely with the savages who did it--not with all of Islam, and not with the victims. As someone who mostly leans left, I'm already concerned that we're going to hear a lot of middling "The cartoonists did incite this..." type of responses. And of course on the right we're already seeing the anti-multiculturalism--whatever that means--type responses.

These cartoonists are not martyrs--leave that to jihadists--they're victims, and now they're heroes of free speech.

 

[One Brow]

Now you guys who support multiculturalism tell me how it is possible to coexist without things like that happening?

My understanding, and please correct me if I am wrong, is that most Frenchmen (born and raised in France) whose parents/grandparents/great-grandparents came from Muslim countries are not citizens of France, but permanent non-citizens. When the French culture enforces such segregation, we can't just turn around and say multiculturalism has failed. Segregated societies are not multicultural.

 

[MVP]

I don't understand the ridiculous and irrelevant opposition to multiculturalism in a globalized world where cultures have already been mixed and merged so thoroughly, it is hard to trace back the originator culture of many of our habits. Or are you still in the opinion that the Irish are sub-human apes who should be banned from decent establishments (like many used to believe)? Or do you honestly think that cultures were born the way they are now?

This is an ill-informed reactionary opinion that isn't much different from the one held by militant Islam.

Siro, I am immigrant myself and I chose to accept everything my new country has to offer - even if it is way different than my country's tradition, laws, etc. We celebrate our national holidays or keep our traditions within the family and close community but we do not REQUEST or DEMAND it to be accepted by the rest of the country. There would be no problems with multiculturalism if everyone leaving their old countries would have same mentality and leave their old habbits and rituals there as well or keep it at family, community levels only. Just put your new country above your own personal needs! Accept it and become real part of it!
I am bringing my soccer team as example again - we are tied group of friends and we have people form all over the world, I counted 9 countries and actually canadians are minority but we have absolute fun and blast together and nationalities or religion was never an issue. Yeah occasionally, somebody in the party will not eat pork or drink, but that does not bother or offends anyone.
Why everybody can't be a big happy family at the country level? That is a million dollar question right there my friend and I would love to know the answer.

 

[MVP]

My understanding, and please correct me if I am wrong, is that most Frenchmen (born and raised in France) whose parents/grandparents/great-grandparents came from Muslim countries are not citizens of France, but permanent non-citizens. When the French culture enforces such segregation, we can't just turn around and say multiculturalism has failed. Segregated societies are not multicultural.

No, it is not permanent.

A child born in France to foreign parents may acquire French citizenship:

at birth, if stateless.
at 18, if resident in France with at least 5 years' residence since age 11.
between 16 and 18 upon request by the child and if resident in France with at least 5 years' residence since age 11.
between 13 and 16 upon request by the child's parents and if resident in France continuously since age 8.
if born in France of parents born before independence in a colony/territory in the past under French sovereignty.
at birth, if born in France before January 1, 1994.
at age 18, if born in France on or after January 1, 1994.

 

[Beer]

I just hope there isn't a lot of victim blaming after this.

There is nothing a woman can wear/do that "provokes" a man into raping her, and there is nothing these cartoonists drew that provoked their slaughter. The responsibility for this awful crime lies solely with the savages who did it--not with all of Islam, and not with the victims. As someone who mostly leans left, I'm already concerned that we're going to hear a lot of middling "The cartoonists did incite this..." type of responses. And of course on the right we're already seeing the anti-multiculturalism--whatever that means--type responses.

These cartoonists are not martyrs--leave that to jihadists--they're victims, and now they're heroes of free speech.

They obviously didn't deserve to be murdered. But they knew what they were doing, the knew of the likely "consequences" and they went on with it. Whether they were freedom fighters or whether they were just trying to sell some papers is irrelevant. They are certainly not heroes or martyrs in my eyes. May they RIP but they knew the lunatics they were dealing with and proceeded anyways.

 

[fishonjazz]

I don't see anything in the rest of the post that nullifies the first part. In fact, it's not really relevant as Islamic militant are not part of our society, and they're not killing anyone because they've become soft and intolerant of political incorrectness...

The rest of my post stated that I think that the Islamists should not have gotten so offended

 

[fishonjazz]

People have every right to make fun of the prophet. IMO there's better humour out there, but I really dgaf if a satirist criticizes our prophet or draws him-- and neither should all Muslims.

So we agree apparently

At the same time, I think we have gotten too sensitive as a society and way too politically correct and it's dumb that people get so offended so easily and feel that they need to punish the offenders.

So basically....... get some thicker skin Muslim extremists

 

[MVP]