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Islamists kill 12 people in France during attack on newspaper office.

Beer said:
I wouldn't compare a political cartoonist to a police officer, soldier or fire fighter as those are noble needed professions. But yes, I'm sure their families miss them very much.
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Satire is also a noble profession.
 
Stoked said:
It's not that they were killed. It is that they stood for what they believed in and refused to be cowed by intimidation.

Tragic no matter how you look at it. No winners here.
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It is tragic. They didn't deserve to die by any stretch of the imagination. But I have a hard time feeling really sorry for someone that had first hand experience with the lunacy of terrorists and continued to push and push and push. If they were doing something truly important that might be different, but lets be serious. They were cartoonists, who published unfunny satirical cartoons to get a reaction. And they got a reaction.
 
Beer said:
Is that satire? Because if so that's pretty funny.
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Whatever it takes to write good satire, I don't have it. That was not satire.

Satire is the leverage of the powerless to create change. Well-done satire reverberates for centuries (Swift) and can even become standard textbook material (Twain). It's the socially acceptable way to puncture the augustness and reverence given to institutions, be they of the government, the majority religion, or the corporate world. It uses humor, or horror, to replace angry diatribes. It enlightens by inviting the reader in.

Of course, satire can be and usually is poorly done (see Sturgeon's Law), and I have no opinion on how good the satire of Charlie Hebdo has been. Satire always falls flat when directed at the ideas of the disenfranchised. If Charlie Hebdo has been directing it's derision at the Muslim citizens of France, it's probably been poor satire. However, just as having a dirty police officer, or even a racist police culture, does not demean the calling of police work generally, poorly done satire does not demean satire generally.
 
One Brow said:
Whatever it takes to write good satire, I don't have it. That was not satire.

Satire is the leverage of the powerless to create change. Well-done satire reverberates for centuries (Swift) and can even become standard textbook material (Twain). It's the socially acceptable way to puncture the augustness and reverence given to institutions, be they of the government, the majority religion, or the corporate world. It uses humor, or horror, to replace angry diatribes. It enlightens by inviting the reader in.

Of course, satire can be and usually is poorly done (see Sturgeon's Law), and I have no opinion on how good the satire of Charlie Hebdo has been. Satire always falls flat when directed at the ideas of the disenfranchised. If Charlie Hebdo has been directing it's derision at the Muslim citizens of France, it's probably been poor satire. However, just as having a dirty police officer, or even a racist police culture, does not demean the calling of police work generally, poorly done satire does not demean satire generally.
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I love some good satire. Its just not heroic or worth dying for imo.
 
One Brow said:
Whatever it takes to write good satire, I don't have it. That was not satire.

Satire is the leverage of the powerless to create change. Well-done satire reverberates for centuries (Swift) and can even become standard textbook material (Twain). It's the socially acceptable way to puncture the augustness and reverence given to institutions, be they of the government, the majority religion, or the corporate world. It uses humor, or horror, to replace angry diatribes. It enlightens by inviting the reader in.

Of course, satire can be and usually is poorly done (see Sturgeon's Law), and I have no opinion on how good the satire of Charlie Hebdo has been. Satire always falls flat when directed at the ideas of the disenfranchised. If Charlie Hebdo has been directing it's derision at the Muslim citizens of France, it's probably been poor satire. However, just as having a dirty police officer, or even a racist police culture, does not demean the calling of police work generally, poorly done satire does not demean satire generally.
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Like when lucy would pull the football away right as Charlie Brown was about to kick it?
 
I think satire is pointing the target's weaknesses in his strong stand of truth while being not too directly about it. I'm not sure the French caricaturists were a strong example to that.
 
All I have to say is that it's a darn shame nobody told the Muslim gunmen it this attack about the strict gun laws in Paris. If only they had known...
 
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