Its Time to Tank

[Eddie Zero]

If the Jazz get top 10 odds, the lotto balls will be kind. I feel it.

The Finnisher got 43 points shooting terribly from 3. You really think we are getting top 10 odds without him getting less usage I can't help you.
He plays and shoots his normal rate and the Jazz win that game by 20 not by 1.
imo the Jazz best chance at a better pick still lies with the Wolves crumbling down the stretch, and of course if the Jazz brass decide to reduce the Finnishers usage by half.

 

[Korisfani]

Playing time benefits young players developing… tanking provides that playing time… it’s why we offloaded three starters so Ochai THT and Sexton would get more time. It will also mean more losing.

Tanking isn't mandatory to give young players minutes. And most of the tankers seem quite happy to have Sexton NOT play any minutes for as long as possible. Tanking and playing with what the current Jazz bench mostly is also doesn't develop young players. Every coach wants to put young players in situations where they're likely to succeed, get positive experiences and build their confidence. Losing most nights and playing with borderline NBA players is a situation for any young player to fail, not succeed and lose their confidence. Not all minutes are equal.

The price for tanking is essentially already paid… yes. The season isn’t over… not sure what this question is even about. There have been very rare instances where coaches have executed tank moves likely at the prompt of a front office… it’s usually a few games or so at the end of the year.

Well, other tankers don't seem to think so. In every game thread they're hoping for "injuries" (or even injuries). Some want Lauri benched if doesn't agree to sit out the rest of the season.

If, as you say, you're all about giving young players minutes and letting the chips fall where they may, then why does it seem you want to be the main brigadier general of the tankers? The tankers out there only care about the lotto balls and are happy for Sexton play 0 minutes.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Lauri could be all NBA this year.

He has a chance.

 

[hzg511]

Lauri could be all NBA this year.

Who is just having his real breakout season. Shutting him down or harming his development is Bulls' level stuff. Tank with the bench guys or something if needed.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Tanking isn't mandatory to give young players minutes.

Who said it was mandatory? When tanking there will be ample dev time. Ochai getting DNPs ain’t helping… so you clear the rotation a bit. It’s seriously not hard to understand if you read the actual words people write and not force additional ******** in there.

And most of the tankers seem quite happy to have Sexton NOT play any minutes for as long as possible. Tanking and playing with what the current Jazz bench mostly is also doesn't develop young players. Every coach wants to put young players in situations where they're likely to succeed, get positive experiences and build their confidence. Losing most nights and playing with borderline NBA players is a situation for any young player to fail, not succeed and lose their confidence. Not all minutes are equal.


Well, other tankers don't seem to think so. In every game thread they're hoping for "injuries" (or even injuries).

Yes we are all holding hands praying for torn Achilles… lol maybe one person suggested it and most posters shamed them into silence… but sure we are praying the team plane crashes into a mountain and we have to forfeit every game.

Some want Lauri benched if doesn't agree to sit out the rest of the season.

I was super clear… like 100% clear on my feeling there.

If, as you say, you're all about giving young players minutes and letting the chips fall where they may, then why does it seem you want to be the main brigadier general of the tankers? The tankers out there only care about the lotto balls and are happy for Sexton play 0 minutes.

I’m super consistent… front offices tank… not coaches not players… that is how it always has been. If a player is hurt then sit em… if they are healthy play em. I’ve literally did maybe a dozen times… rely on the youth and if the youth is too good then oh well.

The tankers only care about lotto balls… lol… even though they have all basically said no that’s isn’t the only thing they care about.

You’re either trolling (likely) or incapable of comprehensive reading… either way you are a waste of my time and can join Eddie on the ignore list.

 

[Eddie Zero]

I might take a flier on Council late first

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I’m no longer addressing this stuff… the posters that are pro losing games to improve draft position are not all the same… they don’t have the same exact views and almost none of us are seriously considering the nefarious actions some suggest. No one wants an injury. If you don’t understand the benefit of having a higher pick I can’t say any other words to help you understand… fan how you want… I will do so also.

 

[HermanG]

Can we just stop this discussion...

Its useless and its gonna lead to more cuss words than constructive ideas or revelations.

The chips will fall where they may. Some of us hope we get a high pick (myself included).. while others hope we get to the playoffs.

Whatever happens, we are still in a good place with the roster already and getting 3 FRPs this year (unless we trade them, move up etc).. and we should be happy either way.

 

[Eddie Zero]

Can we just stop this discussion...

Its useless and its gonna lead to more cuss words than constructive ideas or revelations.

The chips will fall where they may. Some of us hope we get a high pick (myself included).. while others hope we get to the playoffs.

Whatever happens, we are still in a good place with the roster already and getting 3 FRPs this year (unless we trade them, move up etc).. and we should be happy either way.

This debate will never end lol
This org made some tank worthy moves by who they gave up, but countered any full tank mode options by the employment of players they got back from said tank worthy moves last summer. Even the tank like moves at the deadline turned out to just open the door for players to step up and they are.
This roster is not bad enough to lose enough without forced resting of the best players down the stretch.
Still a chance that goes down late in the season if and only if the teams record is already out of the play in no matter what. Then they rest everyone good and lose lose lose to finish the season with a better lottery odds.
I expect other teams to do the same and we will not be picking in the top 10 without starting to rest the Finnisher a lot really soon but instead will be in the play in for sure.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Who is just having his real breakout season. Shutting him down or harming his development is Bulls' level stuff. Tank with the bench guys or something if needed.

Ehh, shutting him down would be smart IMO. It would suck for Lauri though, but it wouldnt really hurt his development. He played all summer and he's played a ton of minutes this season. He's had enough development.

I know it's not possible so I'm not going to bang a drum about it, but if he gets any kind of tweak you rest him extra games than you would if you were really trying to win.

 

[HermanG]

This debate will never end lol
This org made some tank worthy moves by who they gave up, but countered any full tank mode options by the employment of players they got back from said tank worthy moves last summer. Even the tank like moves at the deadline turned out to just open the door for players to step up and they are.
This roster is not bad enough to lose enough without forced resting of the best players down the stretch.
Still a chance that goes down late in the season if and only if the teams record is already out of the play in no matter what. Then they rest everyone good and lose lose lose to finish the season with a better lottery odds.
I expect other teams to do the same and we will not be picking in the top 10 without starting to rest the Finnisher a lot really soon but instead will be in the play in for sure.

I think Lakers are gonna come up. One of us, Pels and Minny will go down. Theoretically, OKC could come up as well and they seem motivated to do so... but after seeing us beat them on one of our worst 3P shooting nights.. I think we match up against them really well.

(They shot bad from 3 as well but thats what they always do)

I just hope the Pels wake up. Just like us, they have a shot at 2 lottery picks and they shouldnt get any to add to that core.

 

[HermanG]

Ehh, shutting him down would be smart IMO. It would suck for Lauri though, but it wouldnt really hurt his development. He played all summer and he's played a ton of minutes this season. He's had enough development.

I know it's not possible so I'm not going to bang a drum about it, but if he gets any kind of tweak you rest him extra games than you would if you were really trying to win.

I think Lauri is turning more alpha by the day. I dont think shutting that down is smart. He seems to be still progressing.