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Jazz need to go young, Barkley even agrees

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Lets be real playing the way the Jazz are right now, there is no way we are oging to win a championship let alone get into the play-offs at this pace.

Charles Barkley: "They've got a very young team, and should go out and try to entertain their fans and
play at a faster pace."

The Jazz need to start Harris, Burks, Hayward, Favors, and Kanter yes it seems kind of crazy, but it worked for the Thunder (Westbrook, Harden, Durant, and Ibaka) yes they suffered the first year or two, but look how good they are now. Ty Corbin needs to start the young guys and let them play ball, they are not going to get experience by only playing garbage minutes.

Kanter is averaging eight rebounds per game and is doing a decent job on offense he just needs to go be stronger and get the fouls and get his points on the foul line.

Burks will be fine if he just gets some playing time, even though it was garbage tme Burks scored 15 points last night which shows he can score in the NBA.

Hayward and Favors have already proven themselves as worthy starters of this league, I rather have Millsap start instead of Jefferson anyway, but I think Kanter needs to get some experience.
 
nothingbutnet said:
Lets be real playing the way the Jazz are right now, there is no way we are oging to win a championship let alone get into the play-offs at this pace.

Charles Barkley: "They've got a very young team, and should go out and try to entertain their fans and
play at a faster pace."

The Jazz need to start Harris, Burks, Hayward, Favors, and Kanter yes it seems kind of crazy, but it worked for the Thunder (Westbrook, Harden, Durant, and Ibaka) yes they suffered the first year or two, but look how good they are now. Ty Corbin needs to start the young guys and let them play ball, they are not going to get experience by only playing garbage minutes.

Kanter is averaging eight rebounds per game and is doing a decent job on offense he just needs to go be stronger and get the fouls and get his points on the foul line.

Burks will be fine if he just gets some playing time, even though it was garbage tme Burks scored 15 points last night which shows he can score in the NBA.

Hayward and Favors have already proven themselves as worthy starters of this league, I rather have Millsap start instead of Jefferson anyway, but I think Kanter needs to get some experience.
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The main difference here is that they had someone like Durant. We don't.

Kanter doing decent on offense? This a joke? Or are we talking about how good he is at rebounding his own misses?

I like how Kanter has played thus far (besides him being scared to dunk), but he in no way should start.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
The main difference here is that they had someone like Durant. We don't.

Kanter doing decent on offense? This a joke? Or are we talking about how good he is at rebounding his own misses?

I like how Kanter has played thus far (besides him being scared to dunk), but he in no way should start.
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Agreed.
In no way is Kanter ready, or even deserving of a start yet.
I believe as far as the bigs go, Favors and Millsap should be starting.
Jefferson has been getting blocked constantly.

Getting back to Kanter, these rookies need to earn there minutes.
Burks is starting to earn minutes, Kanter is not.
 
TheSilencer1313 said:
Agreed.
In no way is Kanter ready, or even deserving of a start yet.
I believe as far as the bigs go, Favors and Millsap should be starting.
Jefferson has been getting blocked constantly.

Getting back to Kanter, these rookies need to earn there minutes.
Burks is starting to earn minutes, Kanter is not.
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Wrong. Kanter hasn't played competitively in two years outside of the Euro basket stint. Nothing short of actual game time is going to make up for that gap in experience. Its going to be ugly at times, but the Jazz drafted the wrong player if they aren't willing to live with the growing pains.
 
8 months younger than anyone in the league. Surprising that he is even contributing at all personally. Now him starting? No.... Millsap and Favors is my vote but then again we haven seen but what 5 minutes before Favors has two fouls so things are bound to be different one of these games.
 
Kanter shouldn't start, but he should continue to get playing time. That isn't the real issue here.

Bell and Harris are our biggest problems.
 
First, Harden and Ibaka did not start for OKC out of the gate. Harden still doesn't, and Ibaka barely averages starter minutes. Durant and Westbrook are exceptions for obvious reasons. OKC has always blended youth and experience.

Second, Barkley's comment is not about starting youth. It was mostly about the lack of aggressiveness pushing the break. But my personal interpretation is he's also making a comment about the excessive motion. Too many moving parts means too many reads for young players. What happens is they stop playing instinctively.

What Ty needs to do is work in more basics. Let Hayward/CJ/Burks play more P&R. Post Howard. Feed the post if Al is being defended by Mogozev. Get Harris and Sap involved in more screen and roll. Help the young guys by simplifying the game at times so they can play to their strengths.
 
Just because it's worth emphasizing, a complex motion offense works a lot better when there's a core of guys who have already been running it. CJ, Sap, and Raja are the only guys we have that fit the experience quota which isn't much. Al and Harris, with one year of it, are hardly going to help smooth it out. And every other guy is basically trying to learn a way of playing they haven't played before. I've got no issue with the goal of running a motion offense. But Ty has to make a few adjustments on this or we're going to keep having these momentous lapses.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Wrong. Kanter hasn't played competitively in two years outside of the Euro basket stint. Nothing short of actual game time is going to make up for that gap in experience. Its going to be ugly at times, but the Jazz drafted the wrong player if they aren't willing to live with the growing pains.
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I didn't say he shouldn't get playing time.
But starting him over Favors, Jefferson??
Come on now.
 
Start hayward favors and millsap , give kanter and burks major mins off the bench. We arent gonna compete for championship anyway so why let young guys stay in the bench.

Even though Kanter is rusty in the offensive end, he is a big power for rebounding. When he cant grab the rebound he open up space to his teammate, that gives us a leverage in defensive rebounding which was a major problem last year. He has a problem finishing under the rim in the last 2 games (which i think due to nervousity and rushing too much in order to prove he is worth 3rd pick), and i believe it will continue a while, but he use his body very well in offense, if he continues taking major mins he may score at least 10 points even in the days he goes 1-7, thanks to getting to ft line.

Burks also displayed he has talent, even though he scored 15 in garbage time, it is obvious that he is very good with the ball and he has a good shooting touch which i think was underrated by the draft scouts. He just needs to improve his defense, instead of having a stealing based defense he should hold his position better and use his lateral quickness to close up gaps.

Honestly i think harris isnt a very bad player but he is certainly not a good fit for us. He can be an ok starter in a more chaotic team like golden state or new york or whatever. But he sucks with us. I dont really like such type of players, like Harris, Jennings, Tyreke.. I prefer to have Ridnour instead of Harris. For me a pg should be like miller, kidd, nash.. The best young pg in the league right now is Rubio and/or Wall. I hope we could find something similar, maybe not that high quality due to future economical problems but we could land something like B.Knight and start a really young team instead of mixing Veterans and Youngs.
That doesnt make sense for me in basketball. If that was a good idea, Miami would have kept Beasley and play him alongside Wade and Lebron.

We should just go young and accept that we are rebuilding, not retooling. If we face the truth, we may get to the top much quicker than we imagine with this young core. But if we give equal mins to everyone not to break veterans hearts, then we will stay in the limbo, without making any progress .
 
If no one can run that ancient offense, then maybe we should just scrap it. We don't have the personal for it.

Besides, Ty needs to just do his own thing anyways.
 
I think Millsap and Favors should start right now. AJ is not going to be with the team in two years. His style of play does not fit the athletic running team the Jazz should be. However, to say Kanter or any rookie needs earn their minutes is true but it should also be true for veterans. Right? Why does Bell, CJ, Harris etc. get playing time when they haven't proven they deserve it. The fact that the Jazz have depth should make it easier to say if you do hustle or work your butt off I will play someone else. There is no excuse for laziness on a team that has a lot of talent.

Burks should not be sitting on the bench the whole game neither should Favors be automatically taken out when he gets two fouls. Let the young guys get 20-25 minutes or more if they deserve it. I think Ty is making a big mistake not deciding on a captain (Millsap is my pick). Then he should have chosen a rotation that is focused on developing the young guys. KOC should look at trade a few of our assets that won't be here in two or three years. This season is about the future and not about the vets. The Jazz are already losing big with the veterans getting the majority of minutes so why not play the rookies/sophmores so they can develop and to evaluate if they can play in this league.
 
All of the youngs have earned minutes but I do not think Kanter has earned a starting position yet. Keep giving him minutes and lets see what he does. Man I hope Burks keeps up his play.
 
cowhide said:
I think Millsap and Favors should start right now. AJ is not going to be with the team in two years. His style of play does not fit the athletic running team the Jazz should be. However, to say Kanter or any rookie needs earn their minutes is true but it should also be true for veterans. Right? Why does Bell, CJ, Harris etc. get playing time when they haven't proven they deserve it. The fact that the Jazz have depth should make it easier to say if you do hustle or work your butt off I will play someone else. There is no excuse for laziness on a team that has a lot of talent.

Burks should not be sitting on the bench the whole game neither should Favors be automatically taken out when he gets two fouls. Let the young guys get 20-25 minutes or more if they deserve it. I think Ty is making a big mistake not deciding on a captain (Millsap is my pick). Then he should have chosen a rotation that is focused on developing the young guys. KOC should look at trade a few of our assets that won't be here in two or three years. This season is about the future and not about the vets. The Jazz are already losing big with the veterans getting the majority of minutes so why not play the rookies/sophmores so they can develop and to evaluate if they can play in this league.
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The thing is, deep rotation should be normally an advantage, especially in such a compressed schedule, but it seemd like a disadvantage for us in the last 2 games. Getting everyone almost same mins, and sharing the roles equally among every single player in the roster make us look like a practise team in preseason, not a team competing in nba. We should make roles clear, and if needed, we should put a few players in a package and get 1 very good player in return just to decrease the depth. It is enough to have 10 average players, the rest we can provide from d league teams.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
The main difference here is that they had someone like Durant. We don't.

Kanter doing decent on offense? This a joke? Or are we talking about how good he is at rebounding his own misses?

I like how Kanter has played thus far (besides him being scared to dunk), but he in no way should start.
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We don't have a Durrant. But we would have one of the best Benches in the NBA, with Jefferson, Bell, Miles, Howard, Watson coming up. Seattle/OKC never had that. We have a 10+ man rotation here.

And yeah, offensively Kanter's questionable, but I'm not ready to give up on the kid. Minutes are needed to tell the whole story with him. I kinda wish we could trade for KG's final year to teach Kanter the Nastier parts of the inside game.
 
ElRoach0 said:
We don't have a Durrant. But we would have one of the best Benches in the NBA, with Jefferson, Bell, Miles, Howard, Watson coming up. Seattle/OKC never had that. We have a 10+ man rotation here.

And yeah, offensively Kanter's questionable, but I'm not ready to give up on the kid. Minutes are needed to tell the whole story with him. I kinda wish we could trade for KG's final year to teach Kanter the Nastier parts of the inside game.
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Kanter looks good. He runs the floor hard, hustles and puts forth heart and effort. Good rebounder and his D is better than I thought it would be. I have seen him pull some moves on the offensive end that were nice. He will calm down a little with time and those shots will start falling. Like the two missed layups in a row he had during the Laker game That will start going in.
 
From what I've seen, and 'Guitaro' pointed this out in another thread, Tinsley looks better at PG so far in our offense than either Harris or Watson. Whether it's Burks or Hayward at SG, I'm OK. Howard should be our SF. Kanter and Millsap together would be interesting, with Favors and Jefferson off the bench. I have little doubt Favors will be a legit starter soon; not sure he's ready quite yet, though. Jefferson should come around, but so far he's struggled. Kanter is too good a rebounder to not be playing more minutes...
 
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