l Abach l
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It looks so F'd up
Jazz trade for John Collins
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Seems like a truly awful fit. Like maybe can’t think of a worse one.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Kinda sounds like that’s what the dude on the video said. @Handlogten's Heros
l Abach l
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I view this as a FA signing since all we gave up were Rudy and a 2nd rounder.
I personally wouldn't want to persue Collins in FA, as I don't think he's a great fit and reduced Hendrick's PT ... Would've rather that $$ go toward a guard. Oh well. Hopefully his finger is all right and I end up eating crow.
I personally wouldn't want to persue Collins in FA, as I don't think he's a great fit and reduced Hendrick's PT ... Would've rather that $$ go toward a guard. Oh well. Hopefully his finger is all right and I end up eating crow.
PresidioTrojan
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One of the most astute posts on this board in a long time.
We're going big game hunting over these next few seasons. Rehabbing the general on-court value of these guys at the same time would be icing on the cake.
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I don’t really care what they said… I’m smarter than them. He may have done it early but whether he did it or not doesn’t change the deal. If he declines his options everyone says a few Hail Marys then does the deal still.
Sounds good
But Jazz may have to give up a lot of draft picks also
Would anyone be willing to do that
Coach Ellis
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$8M vs. league minimum vs. possibly out of the league is what’s stopping him.
this ones interesting
nbaanalysis.net
“It’s hard to find a situation for him that translates to winning basketball. It’s getting harder with his three not falling at a high clip. He’s not a rim protector and can’t do much out in space — he’s a liability on that end. With how teams are switching more and more, his ability to slip and rim run for a lob has increasingly diminished value. … I’d rather have a rim protector at the five and a wing at the four than Collins. … He’s expensive long-term, too. There’s not a lot to like.”
if Hendricks can turn into solid 3D guy JC might find himself on the trade block. those highlight dunks doesnt impress me
NBA Executive Doesn’t Hold Back About John Collins
Atlanta Hawks forward John Collins has been no stranger to being included in NBA trade rumors. One executive shared his thoughts.
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“It’s hard to find a situation for him that translates to winning basketball. It’s getting harder with his three not falling at a high clip. He’s not a rim protector and can’t do much out in space — he’s a liability on that end. With how teams are switching more and more, his ability to slip and rim run for a lob has increasingly diminished value. … I’d rather have a rim protector at the five and a wing at the four than Collins. … He’s expensive long-term, too. There’s not a lot to like.”
if Hendricks can turn into solid 3D guy JC might find himself on the trade block. those highlight dunks doesnt impress me
framer
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You are assuming someone is giving him the league minimum. I'm petty as hell, but very few people are 8 million dollars petty. . .
Hearsky
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Meh. I'll take DA's assessment over some random and anonymous "executive".this ones interesting
NBA Executive Doesn’t Hold Back About John Collins
Atlanta Hawks forward John Collins has been no stranger to being included in NBA trade rumors. One executive shared his thoughts.
“It’s hard to find a situation for him that translates to winning basketball. It’s getting harder with his three not falling at a high clip. He’s not a rim protector and can’t do much out in space — he’s a liability on that end. With how teams are switching more and more, his ability to slip and rim run for a lob has increasingly diminished value. … I’d rather have a rim protector at the five and a wing at the four than Collins. … He’s expensive long-term, too. There’s not a lot to like.”
if Hendricks can turn into solid 3D guy JC might find himself on the trade block. those highlight dunks doesnt impress me
Step-Back Hook
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Hear hear... Collins also seemed to have a good advanced ratings on court and he did better the second part of last season. The big part of acquiring talent is assessing how are they trending and being right about it. In Ainge we trust.
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I’m interested in seeing
(SF) Lauri - (PF) Hendricks - (C) Kessler
(SF) Lauri - (PF) Collins - (C) Olynyk
I think both of those lineups will be great just because of the strengths of the individual players.
Like I mentioned earlier. . . Collins is our “rich man’s” version of Vando. I think Hardy will get great production out of him.
Hopefully, his shooting not only returns to form, but takes the next step forward. It’ll actually be super easy to trade him if he’s back to 20/10 and 38% from three. Definitely think there’s a chance for that with how Hardy got major improve T’s out of pretty much every player on his roster last year.
(SF) Lauri - (PF) Hendricks - (C) Kessler
(SF) Lauri - (PF) Collins - (C) Olynyk
I think both of those lineups will be great just because of the strengths of the individual players.
Like I mentioned earlier. . . Collins is our “rich man’s” version of Vando. I think Hardy will get great production out of him.
Hopefully, his shooting not only returns to form, but takes the next step forward. It’ll actually be super easy to trade him if he’s back to 20/10 and 38% from three. Definitely think there’s a chance for that with how Hardy got major improve T’s out of pretty much every player on his roster last year.
That reality was acknowledged in my statement.
"Free at last" texted Chris Broaden, Collins’ uncle and confidant.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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I could be off a bit but since last years off season we’ve traded for 13 players
Ineptimusprime
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Ainge pulls off the heist of the century by getting John Collins for the shambling corpse of Rudy Gay (while getting off his contract) and a bag of potato chips and there seems to be more bitching than celebration in this thread.
A few things:
- statistically speaking, we’ll be lucky if one of the dudes we just drafted turns into a rotation-level NBA player. I understand that some are enamored with Hendricks and are worried about his development, but it’s about 50/50 whether he’s a rotation level player or out of the league in a few years. If he hits, awesome, and you figure it out later. But you don’t let wanting to develop a guy that only MAY be an NBA rotation-level player get in the way of acquiring young, proven NBA talent.
- yes, we have a ton of frontcourt depth right now and need a PG. But there’s still plenty of time for trades and also FA.
Just be happy, people.
A few things:
- statistically speaking, we’ll be lucky if one of the dudes we just drafted turns into a rotation-level NBA player. I understand that some are enamored with Hendricks and are worried about his development, but it’s about 50/50 whether he’s a rotation level player or out of the league in a few years. If he hits, awesome, and you figure it out later. But you don’t let wanting to develop a guy that only MAY be an NBA rotation-level player get in the way of acquiring young, proven NBA talent.
- yes, we have a ton of frontcourt depth right now and need a PG. But there’s still plenty of time for trades and also FA.
Just be happy, people.