Jazz Vote No To Lottery Reform

[oldtimer]

personally I thought the proposed changes went too far. It opened the first six positions of the draft to the lottery so the worst team could have ended up with the 7th pick and the odds were way too flat. Almost every team in the lottery had a chance at the number 1 pick. I would have hated having phoenix win the number one pick last year after almost making the playoffs in the West.

I think the proposal went too far. They should make it so that the four or five worst teams have the same odds of winning but the drop off is substantially after that. The 14th worst team should have almost no chance at number 1. And they should keep it so that only the first three spots are open to the lottery. This draft reform would have helped tanking and I think the small market teams could have gotten behind this option.

 

[♪alt13]

personally I thought the proposed changes went too far. It opened the first six positions of the draft to the lottery so the worst team could have ended up with the 7th pick and the odds were way too flat. Almost every team in the lottery had a chance at the number 1 pick. I would have hated having phoenix win the number one pick last year after almost making the playoffs in the West.

I think the proposal went too far. They should make is to that the four or five worst teams have the same odds of winning but the drop off is substantially after that. The 14th worst team should have almost no chance at number 1. And they should keep it so that only the first three spots are open to the lottery. This draft reform would have helped tanking and I think the small market teams could have gotten behind this option.

They should have voted for the odds reform and expanding the lotto separately. I imagine they could have gotten the odds reform through on it's own.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Agree with oldtimer.
TBH, I'm more upset about situations like Cleveland getting the top pick a couple of years given such low odds than Philly blowing up their team and attempting to rebuild through the draft. And the new system would just create more situations where a team that barely missed the playoffs might get a high pick.

Outside of Cleveland, I'm perfectly ok with how the draft worked out this season.

 

[Zulu]

In other news PHX, OKC, NO, DET, MIA, MIL, San Antonio, Utah, Wash, ATL, CHA and Chicago all get free Philly cheese steaks when they play the Sixers!!

 

[Stifle Tower]

In other news PHX, OKC, NO, DET, MIA, MIL, San Antonio, Utah, Wash, ATL, CHA and Chicago all get free Philly cheese steaks when they play the Sixers!!

LOL!
Maybe they've also agreed to trade us Brandon Davies at the deadline for a 2nd-round pick.

 

[bjunior]

i hope the "tank system" will end soon

last season was painful to watch jazz games and we lost hornacek

 

[AlaskanAssassin]

personally I thought the proposed changes went too far. It opened the first six positions of the draft to the lottery so the worst team could have ended up with the 7th pick and the odds were way too flat. Almost every team in the lottery had a chance at the number 1 pick. I would have hated having phoenix win the number one pick last year after almost making the playoffs in the West.

I disagree. Outside of Eric Bledsoe playing half the year, Phoenix didn't really add to their talent pool last year. They added a coach and a system that complemented their players and allowed them to be competitive in the West. That's what ALL teams should be doing. Winning as many games as they can with the talent that they have.

Does anyone really think the Suns have a drastically more talented roster than the Jazz, Sacramento, Minnesota? Certainly no one did before last season. Why "punish" them for doing the best they could with the roster they had? The Suns are now stuck in no-mans land. Too well-run to add talent (with a top pick) and not good enough to be anything more than a 7th or 8th seed at best.

Which position would you rather be in? A team overachieving with virtually no potential to add to their talent pool (Suns) or a team with multiple young players that can potentially grow into stars and make you a playoff team (Utah)?

 

[Jamezz]

there is ZERO chance Cleveland will get the #1 pick again.

Watch them trade a player for the 14th pick and move up to the top 3.

 

[bjunior]

I disagree. Outside of Eric Bledsoe playing half the year, Phoenix didn't really add to their talent pool last year. They added a coach and a system that complemented their players and allowed them to be competitive in the West. That's what ALL teams should be doing. Winning as many games as they can with the talent that they have.

Does anyone really think the Suns have a drastically more talented roster than the Jazz, Sacramento, Minnesota? Certainly no one did before last season. Why "punish" them for doing the best they could with the roster they had? The Suns are now stuck in no-mans land. Too well-run to add talent (with a top pick) and not good enough to be anything more than a 7th or 8th seed at best.

Which position would you rather be in? A team overachieving with virtually no potential to add to their talent pool (Suns) or a team with multiple young players that can potentially grow into stars and make you a playoff team (Utah)?

yes

if some of the teams actually cared about how to become better, talented coaches like blatt would've came sooner in the nba and coaches like corbin would never stayed for 3 years

 

[oldtimer]

I disagree. Outside of Eric Bledsoe playing half the year, Phoenix didn't really add to their talent pool last year. They added a coach and a system that complemented their players and allowed them to be competitive in the West. That's what ALL teams should be doing. Winning as many games as they can with the talent that they have.

First Eric Bledsoe is an absolute stud. Second Phoenix had a great coaching staff and had some very good draft picks. That doesn't change the fact that I would have hated it if Phoenix had moved ahead of the Jazz in the draft last year. My point is you don't want team on the verge of making the playoffs to jump ahead of the teams that completely suck. Intentionally tanking aside, I think its best if the worst teams get the better players.

 

[♪alt13]

The reform would have been good for us in the short term, but not the longterm.

How do you figure? The Jazz just went through their worst season since I have been watching and they ended up in 4th. I am certain that the Jazz will have more 4-14 worst seasons than bottom 3.

 

[BTP]

I think it's a slippery slope and I see why teams shied away from the proposal that leaked through the media.

But on the other hand the direction is a good one in my opinion.
Make it flat for the last 4 teams I'd say. 30 teams in a league, and franchise players can usually give a team 10 very strong years. This should result in 3 teams every year that require the restart button from an on court standpoint. So give 4 teams 15% odds each and have a declining system afterwards that makes sure a team outside the bottom 8 rarely getts something and it would be fine. Also make the lottery 4 teams deep, so the worst team can slip to 5th worst case.

This should pull some competition for the worst team out of the system and teams can highlight good coaching and player development while veterans are present to sneak out an improbable win or two during rebuilding. This should also help the league generally in terms of player development in terms of minimizing the amount of wasted talent when you bring them into a better culture and give them more veteran guidance.

Also introduce a lockout for teams that won a #1 slot for the next year to keep them out of the top4 even if they are the worst team again.
For other lottery teams you are only eligible to hit the lottery 2 times in a row(e.g. 2nd pick 2014, 3rd pick 2015 results in best case 5th pick 2016)