Jazz Vote No To Lottery Reform

[fishonjazz]

Absolutely but you don't set rules on the best case scenario. When your talking about rule changes and you are a small market team you have to plan for worse case scenario. The Jazz were bad last year and if the changes proposed had been in effect last year the Jazz could have picked 10th if other teams had moved up.

I guess I have never been a really lucky person. Small market teams need to be sure they have a mechanism to get a very good pick when they are truly bad. Free agents aren't coming to Utah all that often. So when were bad we need a system that will give fans hope that we can turn it around. The proposed changes basically meant its a crap shot in the lottery.

Solid

 

[♪alt13]

Absolutely but you don't set rules on the best case scenario. When your talking about rule changes and you are a small market team you have to plan for worse case scenario. The Jazz were bad last year and if the changes proposed had been in effect last year the Jazz could have picked 10th if other teams had moved up.

I guess I have never been a really lucky person. Small market teams need to be sure they have a mechanism to get a very good pick when they are truly bad. Free agents aren't coming to Utah all that often. So when were bad we need a system that will give fans hope that we can turn it around. The proposed changes basically meant its a crap shot in the lottery.

No it did not mean it was a crap shoot. The 14th team still had a 95.9% chance of picking 14th.

 

[oldtimer]

A 4.1% chance of moving up is not irrelevant, but that only a small part of my concerns. The proposed system flattened the odds so that essentially the worst 7 teams had identical odds of winning. That is a huge change from the current system.

 

[AlaskanAssassin]

My point is you don't want team on the verge of making the playoffs to jump ahead of the teams that completely suck. Intentionally tanking aside, I think its best if the worst teams get the better players.

I have no problem with teams close to the playoffs getting a top pick a small percentage of the time. My point is that the difference between the worst teams in the league and the teams barely missing the playoffs is very little, and doesn't have much to do with talent. Most of the "worst" teams were making a conscious decision to be bad (Utah, Philly, Orlando). All of these teams made obvious decisions that they knew would negatively affect their team in the short term. If you are making a conscious decision to win less games for any reason, it is a form of tanking. Why are we rewarding teams for doing this?

If we smooth out the draft percentages (as the denied proposal suggested) it makes it less rewarding to be a terrible team intentionally, and also makes it less of a death-sentence to be a middle-tier team stuck in mediocrity.

 

[The Midnight]

Just watched Silver's press conference. Apparently it's now going back to the Competitions Committee for further study to iron out 'unintended consequences'.


I suspect a new proposal will be made for voting THIS SEASON, but will be implemented NEXT SEASON to give teams time to rejig their roster, etc, to prepare for the new format.

 

[oldtimer]

If we smooth out the draft percentages (as the denied proposal suggested) it makes it less rewarding to be a terrible team intentionally, and also makes it less of a death-sentence to be a middle-tier team stuck in mediocrity.

You are absolutely right. That is why it was voted down (mostly by small market teams). They felt the risk of not being rewarded when they were truly a terrible team was a bad idea. Not all teams that are terrible, try to lose.

 

[Fishsticks]

a) The Reinsdorf's are historically greedy and have one of the most successful scouting teams and they like having sold out venues while still reaping huge profits in rebuilding seasons. In addition they may feel they have the smallest advantage of all the big market teams in terms of recruiting because superstars dont like stepping into the gigantic footsteps of Jordan.

b) They are really emphatic with the rest of the league and like a good portion of competitive balance

Not disagreeing with your post, but do you think players still feel they play in the shadow of Jordan? Its been 15 or so years since he last played there. IMO I dont think they do.

 

[Jazz4ever]

My guess is the Jazz don't like the randomness of the proposed system. They want their scouts to be able to focus a smaller range of picks and get it right. Can't argue with that, the Jazz have drafted incredibly well for their position the last 4 years.

 

[♪alt13]

I think that they should add a rule that you are ineligible for the lottery until you have missed the playoffs for 2 consecutive years. I don't think a team with a superstar getting another one because of an injury is a good thing. I think it would also discourage big market teams from building through the draft. Even the playing field a bit.

 

[BTP]

Not disagreeing with your post, but do you think players still feel they play in the shadow of Jordan? Its been 15 or so years since he last played there. IMO I dont think they do.

Yes I think it is a bar that has been set. The Lakers and Celtics have history and dynastys. But they have multiple generations of banners and greats.

But their greats didn't elevate the game as a whole to the next level and were catalysts who made the league grow 10 times faster than the national economy without stealing it from the players which is what happens right now.

The Bulls have the Jordan era and a whole lot of nothing besides that. If you're a superstar looking for a new destination and you see Chicago, the ESPN and newspaper lines you have in front of your eyes are:
"If Melo can become only 20% the competitor Jordan was, it may be enough to win 1 title"

So do you want to win a title and be one of the better athletes in town? Or do you want to be the next Hollywood generation? Or Oklahoma City's darling, where you still have your crew? Be the man who created two very dominant decades of playoff basketball in rural desert San Antonio ******* county?

If I learned one thing about the NBA is that these players have bigger egos than paychecks and that's hindering Chicago in landing talent and it's going to until there's a Derrick Rose and Noah statue next to Jordan.