Jazz vs. Thunder- LETS CRUSH THESE PUNKS

[Saint Cy of JFC]

no , why do you call people idiots when you are wrong?

you can see in the video that the ball had not left durants hand when hayward hit it.

The video was inconclusive from what I remember. I would appreciate a link to the play though, to take a closer look, if you have one. From what I remember, and they showed it several times, it was just too close to call. To overturn a call, you have to have strong video evidence.

 

[northeast]

you can see in the video that the force of the ball was not greater than the force of hayward's hand
and that based on the trajectory of the ball , and the followthrough of the two hands, the ball was off Durant

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

the ball in free flight does not have more force than the hand.
if it did, people would be breaking their hands in every game just catching the ball

What?

 

[northeast]

what?

 

[northeast]

actually , I just realized this is an interesting example of why refs get so many calls wrong....
It is physics....as some one else said
It appears that maybe refs look for a single instance that they can freeze frame , and isolate the key point of impact as a picture...
but often the truth is not shown in a single picture,
but in the motion.
This is possibly a problem with other calls as well...esp. charge / blocking calls

 

[northeast]

I agree that there was a degree of inconclusiveness from the video...
but it did appear to show that call was incorrect, so why the need to call people idiots for stating this?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Do you have the video?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I agree that there was a degree of inconclusiveness from the video...
but it did appear to show that call was incorrect, so why the need to call people idiots for stating this?

Some people where like "OMG the ball is going up and Hayward hit down, so it must be off DURANT!!!" which is just idiotic thinking.

I was saying the people who thought that because Hayward stroke downward on the ball, and the ball went up, meant that 100% Durant touched it last.

Wasn't calling people idiots for thinking Durant touched it last because of the video, but to say for sure who did was too close to call, so they went with the OG call.

 

[northeast]

I think that one could argue it was off both of them at the same time, so you give the benefit of the doubt to the one with possession, this is possible.

This is different than the force argument.

High speed video might show this. The video from the TV does not break it down enough, you'd need like 100 frames a second to prove who it was off last conclusively. Even that might not be enough, it might be like splitting the atom. It appears that if it was not a tie, than it was off the offensive player based on available technology.

 

[northeast]

I was saying the people who thought that because Hayward stroke downward on the ball, and the ball went up, meant that 100% Durant touched it last.

It does mean that it looked like it was not off Hayward. Either it was off Durant, or maybe it was off both hands at the same time, but not off Hayward's. It is highly unlikely that it hit haywards hand, bounced off durant's hand, grazed haywards hand again and continued in the same direction unimpeded by the contact with Haywards hand, and without further contact with Durant's hand, because of the motion and direction of both players hands. It is possible that in a hundreth of a second the ball is doing crazy stuff that we can't imagine looking at it with the naked eye, but I doubt it. Absent evidence to the contrary, it appears that the ball was moving in that direction because Durant was forcing it in that direction.

 

[Jeffrey32]

There is no way jazz win tonight. if jazz win i'm going on a date with the D Will Texas.


ps you suck horrible game thread

When is that date set for?

 

[LifeOnaPlate]

I watched the clip multiple times on my DVR. The ball was clearly touching Durrant's fingers *after* Hayward deflected it. This was evident from slow-mo replay and frame by frame freezing.