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PJF
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Oh no! More freedom of speech. Just like a fascist...
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Red
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The jaw dropping hypocracy of a man, who steadfastly refuses to acknowledge the results of the free and fairly run American election of 2020. Just wanted to add a dash of truth to all the asinine lying spins contained within this thread….Its not personal, PJF. It’s just that all you do is look for tweets that provide you with confirmation bias. And really, you gotta expect pushback to such nonsense….
They assembled to hear clarification on Trump’s Ukraine plans. They were lectured instead, by one of the most stunning displays of bald face lying hypocrisy imaginable! Vance cannot ever, admit, without suffering the wrath of Trump, that Biden won the 2020 election. But he, and Trump, feel entitled to lecture others on the dangers to democratic values!!!
Really, all of Trump’s lackeys are aware their authoritarian leader will not, under any circumstances, tolerate truthful statements regarding the 2020 elections. Truth is anathema, largely, throughout the MAGA movement. Truth is the enemy of MAGA. So, adding some context to this “Ode to J.D.Vance” thread. He’s is a liar and hypocrite. And we deserve better than a flood of unexamined tweets…..
www.independent.co.uk
JD Vance has sparked a furious backlash for delivering an anti-immigration speech at the Munich Security Conference in which he attacked European leaders and backed those who voted for Brexit.
The US vice-president was accused of “hypocrisy” and his speech described as “bizarre and dangerous” as he departed from the usual defence focus of speeches at the conference to lash out at the UK and EUover migration and free speech.
Vance stunned gathered delegates as he lashed out at governments across the continent and accused Europe of “retreating from some of its most fundamental values”, claiming that freedom is in danger across the continent.
Liberal Democrat foreign affairs spokesman Calum Miller told The Independent: “Britain will not take lectures about political freedoms from the acolyte of a president who tried to undermine American democracy and now praises Putin. The British people will see straight through this hypocrisy."
And the Green Party described Mr Vance’s speech as “bizarre and dangerous”.
Ellie Chowns, the party’s parliamentary spokesperson on foreign affairs said: “US vice-president JD Vance's use of the Munich Security Conference to lambast allies rather than focus on the real chaos-makers in the world is sadly predictable but no less bizarre and dangerous for that.
“President Trump's administration seems determined to usher in a new world where old friends are discarded and new friends made of dangerous autocrats.
“The UK should have no part of that and should work with others to protect international frameworks and institutions that support co-operation and the rule of law.”
They assembled to hear clarification on Trump’s Ukraine plans. They were lectured instead, by one of the most stunning displays of bald face lying hypocrisy imaginable! Vance cannot ever, admit, without suffering the wrath of Trump, that Biden won the 2020 election. But he, and Trump, feel entitled to lecture others on the dangers to democratic values!!!
Really, all of Trump’s lackeys are aware their authoritarian leader will not, under any circumstances, tolerate truthful statements regarding the 2020 elections. Truth is anathema, largely, throughout the MAGA movement. Truth is the enemy of MAGA. So, adding some context to this “Ode to J.D.Vance” thread. He’s is a liar and hypocrite. And we deserve better than a flood of unexamined tweets…..
Fury as JD Vance attacks European leaders in anti-immigration Munich conference rant
US vice-president lashes out at governments across Europe over migration and free speech
www.independent.co.uk
JD Vance has sparked a furious backlash for delivering an anti-immigration speech at the Munich Security Conference in which he attacked European leaders and backed those who voted for Brexit.
The US vice-president was accused of “hypocrisy” and his speech described as “bizarre and dangerous” as he departed from the usual defence focus of speeches at the conference to lash out at the UK and EUover migration and free speech.
Vance stunned gathered delegates as he lashed out at governments across the continent and accused Europe of “retreating from some of its most fundamental values”, claiming that freedom is in danger across the continent.
Liberal Democrat foreign affairs spokesman Calum Miller told The Independent: “Britain will not take lectures about political freedoms from the acolyte of a president who tried to undermine American democracy and now praises Putin. The British people will see straight through this hypocrisy."
And the Green Party described Mr Vance’s speech as “bizarre and dangerous”.
Ellie Chowns, the party’s parliamentary spokesperson on foreign affairs said: “US vice-president JD Vance's use of the Munich Security Conference to lambast allies rather than focus on the real chaos-makers in the world is sadly predictable but no less bizarre and dangerous for that.
“President Trump's administration seems determined to usher in a new world where old friends are discarded and new friends made of dangerous autocrats.
“The UK should have no part of that and should work with others to protect international frameworks and institutions that support co-operation and the rule of law.”
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Great post. Of course I've had PJF on ignore for months now so for me much of this that is just empty, which means it's exactly the same impact as seeing PJF's posts. A bunch of nothing.The jaw dropping hypocracy of a man, who steadfastly refuses to acknowledge the results of the free and fairly run American election of 2020. Just wanted to add a dash of truth to all the asinine lying spins contained within this thread….Its not personal, PJF. It’s just that all you do is look for tweets that provide you with confirmation bias. And really, you gotta expect pushback to such nonsense….
They assembled to hear clarification on Trump’s Ukraine plans. They were lectured instead, by one of the most stunning displays of bald face lying hypocrisy imaginable! Vance cannot ever, admit, without suffering the wrath of Trump, that Biden won the 2020 election. But he, and Trump, feel entitled to lecture others on the dangers to democratic values!!!
Really, all of Trump’s lackeys are aware their authoritarian leader will not, under any circumstances, tolerate truthful statements regarding the 2020 elections. Truth is anathema, largely, throughout the MAGA movement. Truth is the enemy of MAGA. So, adding some context to this “Ode to J.D.Vance” thread. He’s is a liar and hypocrite. And we deserve better than a flood of unexamined tweets…..
Fury as JD Vance attacks European leaders in anti-immigration Munich conference rant
US vice-president lashes out at governments across Europe over migration and free speech
JD Vance has sparked a furious backlash for delivering an anti-immigration speech at the Munich Security Conference in which he attacked European leaders and backed those who voted for Brexit.
The US vice-president was accused of “hypocrisy” and his speech described as “bizarre and dangerous” as he departed from the usual defence focus of speeches at the conference to lash out at the UK and EUover migration and free speech.
Vance stunned gathered delegates as he lashed out at governments across the continent and accused Europe of “retreating from some of its most fundamental values”, claiming that freedom is in danger across the continent.
Liberal Democrat foreign affairs spokesman Calum Miller told The Independent: “Britain will not take lectures about political freedoms from the acolyte of a president who tried to undermine American democracy and now praises Putin. The British people will see straight through this hypocrisy."
And the Green Party described Mr Vance’s speech as “bizarre and dangerous”.
Ellie Chowns, the party’s parliamentary spokesperson on foreign affairs said: “US vice-president JD Vance's use of the Munich Security Conference to lambast allies rather than focus on the real chaos-makers in the world is sadly predictable but no less bizarre and dangerous for that.
“President Trump's administration seems determined to usher in a new world where old friends are discarded and new friends made of dangerous autocrats.
“The UK should have no part of that and should work with others to protect international frameworks and institutions that support co-operation and the rule of law.”
PJF
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You guys have never taken opposing views well.
Red
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I don’t blame you. Thinking deeply on a subject is not everyone’s approach. From here, it seems Trump and Vance are encouraging the rise of Far Right parties in Europe. Vance’s address was appalling. But I’m sure Putin loved it, as I’m sure he enjoyed major concessions offered ahead of peace negotiations, by Defense Secretary Hegseth!! Incredible stupidity by Hegseth, but I swear, I will always suspect Trump and Putin are in cahoots, lol. I swear Putin must have some great stuff on the Don. Well, not funny. Here’s how Occupy Democrats described one reaction to Vance’s incredible arrogant “lecture”:
BREAKING: German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius brutally shreds J.D. Vance for his utterly shameful speech attacking Europe at the Munich Security Conference: "This is unacceptable."
This is a historic takedown of an American vice president...
"We fight for your right to be against us, that is one of the mottos of the Bundeswehr and it stands for our democracy, this democracy that was just called into question by the U.S. Vice President — and not just the German democracy but Europe as a whole," said Pistorius.
In a vile MAGA-coded speech, Vance attacked our European allies for allegedly ignoring the will of their people and failing to curtail illegal migration. He ranted about abortion rights and religious freedom, and avoided talking about the security issues that the conference was designed to address.
It was part of a concerted effort by Trump, Musk, and the rest of the MAGA movement to export their fascism around the globe.
Pistorius didn't hold back in his rebuttal—
"He has spoke of the annulment of democracy and if I understood him correctly, he compares the condition of Europe to the condition that prevails in some authoritarian regimes," he said.
"Ladies and gentlemen, this is not acceptable," he added, to a round of applause.
"This is not acceptable. This is not the Europe, not the democracy where I live and where I conduct my election campaign right now and this is not the democracy that I witness every day in our parliament," he continued.
"In our democracy, every opinion has a voice and it makes it possible for parties that are partly extremist such as the AFD and they can campaign just as any other parties. This is democracy," he said.
"And if the vice president had the opportunity to switch on his TV set when he arrived yesterday he would have seen one of those candidates in primetime TV," he went on.
"By the way, we even admit media that spread Russian propaganda and the representatives of the federal government answer their questions. Nobody is excluded," he said.
"But democracy does not mean that a vociferous minority will automatically be right and they cannot decide what truth is. It does not mean that anyone can say anything and democracy must be able to defend itself against extremists that try to destroy it," said Pistorius.
"I am happy to live in Europe where this democracy is defended every day against its internal and external enemies," he continued. "And therefore I would like to explicitly contradict and oppose the impression that Vice President Vance suggested here that our democracies oppress and silence minorities."
"We not only know against whom we defend our countries but what we defend it for. It's for democracy, for freedom of opinion, for the rule of law and the dignity of each and everyone, ladies and gentleman," he said.
Pistorius then switched to English to hammer home some final criticisms—
"Ladies and gentlemen, but unlike the vice president I would also like to focus my speech on the most pressing questions of European and Transatlantic security," he said.
"The last few days have confirmed what many have speculated for months. The United States are pushing for a quick peace settlement between Russia and Ukraine and they expect Europe to take the lead in securing any agreement that follows," he said.
This is what electing Donald Trump has done for America. We have alienated our allies, weakened our security, and made ourselves a laughingstock on the world stage.
Thankfully, world leaders are not afraid to stand up for the incompetent bullies working to destroy America.
Please like and share! (Which I am happy to do here).
Trump and Vance are courting Europe’s far right to spread their political gospel
US vice-president’s speech and meeting with Germany’s AfD chief signal administration’s wider plans for continent
www.theguardian.com
Hate to think we are establishing conditions that will one day lead to a third World War, but I believe that should be a concern. I doubt Putin hates being emboldened, and he certainly seems to have good friends in Trump and Vance:
JD Vance’s Munich speech laid bare the collapse of the transatlantic alliance
The US vice-president was hypocritical and insensitive, but bracingly clear in his resetting of relationships
www.theguardian.com
I still remember my junior high History classes. We were always taught how Americans were the good guys. We were the ones wearing the white hats. The Vietnam war, and the domestic turmoil it launched; Watergate, and the idealism in America that it severely wounded, did quite a bit, for myself, and many of my generation, to soil the pure whiteness of those hats(which symbolized our “goodness”, the reason we stood out). Myself, I became apolitical for decades. But, apparently, whatever idealism in America I had once been taught, still lingered, and reacted in outrage at Trump’s selfishness, meanness, intolerance of others, cynical demagoguery, and lie after lie after lie. The Big Lie.
They lecture Europe on free speech, and throw the AP out of the WH, because the AP prefers the Gulf of Mexico! A splendid example of both hypocrisy and stunning laughable PETTINESS. I don’t know how my idealism survived so many years of political apathy, or why Trump/Vance would not just be the last straw. We’re not the good guys anymore. We’re one of the world’s bad guys now. But that’s how Trump sees the world, broken up into spheres controlled by Strongmen, and he is determined to stand among them, democracy is for chumps…..
What has my country become?:
This? I pray not…..
Trump apologists: this is not TDS. Nor do I suffer from your non existent illness. Not anyone’s fault that you are sleepwalking through history.
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Tell us you're a Nazi-sympathizer without telling us you're a Nazi-sympathetizer.I don’t blame you. Thinking deeply on a subject is not everyone’s approach. From here, it seems Trump and Vance are encouraging the rise of Far Right parties in Europe. Vance’s address was appalling. But I’m sure Putin loved it, as I’m sure he enjoyed major concessions offered ahead of peace negotiations, by Defense Secretary Hegseth!! Incredible stupidity by Hegseth, but I swear, I will always suspect Trump and Putin are in cahoots, lol. I swear Putin must have some great stuff on the Don. Well, not funny. Here’s how Occupy Democrats described one reaction to Vance’s incredible arrogant “lecture”:
BREAKING: German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius brutally shreds J.D. Vance for his utterly shameful speech attacking Europe at the Munich Security Conference: "This is unacceptable."
This is a historic takedown of an American vice president...
"We fight for your right to be against us, that is one of the mottos of the Bundeswehr and it stands for our democracy, this democracy that was just called into question by the U.S. Vice President — and not just the German democracy but Europe as a whole," said Pistorius.
In a vile MAGA-coded speech, Vance attacked our European allies for allegedly ignoring the will of their people and failing to curtail illegal migration. He ranted about abortion rights and religious freedom, and avoided talking about the security issues that the conference was designed to address.
It was part of a concerted effort by Trump, Musk, and the rest of the MAGA movement to export their fascism around the globe.
Pistorius didn't hold back in his rebuttal—
"He has spoke of the annulment of democracy and if I understood him correctly, he compares the condition of Europe to the condition that prevails in some authoritarian regimes," he said.
"Ladies and gentlemen, this is not acceptable," he added, to a round of applause.
"This is not acceptable. This is not the Europe, not the democracy where I live and where I conduct my election campaign right now and this is not the democracy that I witness every day in our parliament," he continued.
"In our democracy, every opinion has a voice and it makes it possible for parties that are partly extremist such as the AFD and they can campaign just as any other parties. This is democracy," he said.
"And if the vice president had the opportunity to switch on his TV set when he arrived yesterday he would have seen one of those candidates in primetime TV," he went on.
"By the way, we even admit media that spread Russian propaganda and the representatives of the federal government answer their questions. Nobody is excluded," he said.
"But democracy does not mean that a vociferous minority will automatically be right and they cannot decide what truth is. It does not mean that anyone can say anything and democracy must be able to defend itself against extremists that try to destroy it," said Pistorius.
"I am happy to live in Europe where this democracy is defended every day against its internal and external enemies," he continued. "And therefore I would like to explicitly contradict and oppose the impression that Vice President Vance suggested here that our democracies oppress and silence minorities."
"We not only know against whom we defend our countries but what we defend it for. It's for democracy, for freedom of opinion, for the rule of law and the dignity of each and everyone, ladies and gentleman," he said.
Pistorius then switched to English to hammer home some final criticisms—
"Ladies and gentlemen, but unlike the vice president I would also like to focus my speech on the most pressing questions of European and Transatlantic security," he said.
"The last few days have confirmed what many have speculated for months. The United States are pushing for a quick peace settlement between Russia and Ukraine and they expect Europe to take the lead in securing any agreement that follows," he said.
This is what electing Donald Trump has done for America. We have alienated our allies, weakened our security, and made ourselves a laughingstock on the world stage.
Thankfully, world leaders are not afraid to stand up for the incompetent bullies working to destroy America.
Please like and share! (Which I am happy to do here).
Trump and Vance are courting Europe’s far right to spread their political gospel
US vice-president’s speech and meeting with Germany’s AfD chief signal administration’s wider plans for continent
Hate to think we are establishing conditions that will one day lead to a third World War, but I believe that should be a concern. I doubt Putin hates being emboldened, and he certainly seems to have good friends in Trump and Vance:
JD Vance’s Munich speech laid bare the collapse of the transatlantic alliance
The US vice-president was hypocritical and insensitive, but bracingly clear in his resetting of relationships
I still remember my junior high History classes. We were always taught how Americans were the good guys. We were the ones wearing the white hats. The Vietnam war, and the domestic turmoil it launched; Watergate, and the idealism in America that it severely wounded, did quite a bit, for myself, and many of my generation, to soil the pure whiteness of those hats(which symbolized our “goodness”, the reason we stood out). Myself, I became apolitical for decades. But, apparently, whatever idealism in America I had once been taught, still lingered, and reacted in outrage at Trump’s selfishness, meanness, intolerance of others, cynical demagoguery, and lie after lie after lie. The Big Lie.
They lecture Europe on free speech, and throw the AP out of the WH, because the AP prefers the Gulf of Mexico! A splendid example of both hypocrisy and stunning laughable PETTINESS. I don’t know how my idealism survived so many years of political apathy, or why Trump/Vance would not just be the last straw. We’re not the good guys anymore. We’re one of the world’s bad guys now. But that’s how Trump sees the world, broken up into spheres controlled by Strongmen, and he is determined to stand among them, democracy is for chumps…..
What has my country become?:
This? I pray not…..
Trump apologists: this is not TDS. Nor do I suffer from your non existent illness. Not anyone’s fault that you are sleepwalking through history.
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Very sad, and troubling, that unwavering support of Trump is actually willing to ignore and dismiss such obvious sympathies, and dismiss concern that such sympathies are right out in the open, with Musk in particular.