john stockton speaks out against the covid policies

[babe]

It's a cultural thing. You might not understand it. We were taught that our opinions were almost always right, by virtue of having them.


Feel free to ignore or jeer, then.

This is not something that's exclusive in the herd...... uhhhmmmm...... in the human race.

A lot of people never question the first idea they get.

Almost no one will not defend any idea they like, even marginal ideas they hardly care about...... let alone the ones they've loved across thousands of hours of training or school.

In fact, it's always something of a barbarian who tries to shake you up a bit.

But the worst of the herd is the managers, perhaps a little more dogmatic than their upper managers, who are perhaps guided by scheming folks who know damn well what they're telling people is nonsense if not deliberate lies.

 

[babe]

There are at least two critical differences between John Stockton speaking about public policy and health issues., and say a Joe Biden or CDC director.....

He doesn't claim to be an authority with jackbooted thugs enforcing his edicts.

He's just saying what he thinks, with a few items of supporting logic or supposed facts.

He violates no one's rights. He offers his thoughts free of charge. He has good will for people generally, and hopes more to help the public somehow.

Someone who comes into a chat discussion, or TV interview for that matter, unless he has some official position or reputation as specialist or respected opinion on the subject, is hardly a challenge to any "Established Consensus", but rather a good citizen participating in issues of the day.

I don't think there are ten people on planet earth who would consider his opinions "law".

So whether right or wrong, I still say good for John Stockton, and thank you.

 

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Your undeviating confidence in Establishment authority

is non-existent. Your confusion of authority with evidence and knowledge is expected.

But the whole idea of exploiting differences between people for political advantage was something he approved, as did many political manipulators across the ages before.

Also as conservatives do every election.

If you reject all claimed distinctions, and work from the idea that people are equal under the law, entitled to their problems and their opportunities, they are useless to the politicians.

On the contrary, rejecting fantasy is the only basis for proceeding on reality.

I'm really tired of authoritarian science the way you cook it. Science is not something that validates Establishment, it is the right to question it.

It's both. Science doesn't give a rat's *** for establishment authority or for rebellion.

 

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He doesn't claim to be an authority with jackbooted thugs enforcing his edicts.

He's just saying what he thinks, with a few items of supporting logic or supposed facts.
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So whether right or wrong, I still say good for John Stockton, and thank you.

Sounds a lot like me. When's the last time you said "Good for One Brow"?

 

[babe]

Sounds a lot like me. When's the last time you said "Good for One Brow"?

Good for One Brow.

absolutely.

 

[carey scurry fan]

stockton full interview is up only for a few hours, u just have to register

Vaccines Revealed COVID Edition | Registration

Big Pharma REALLY doesn't want this to get out. They are going to Extreme Measures to keep this cover-up going and continue their life-threatening disinformation campaign.

vrevealed.com

 

[Gameface]

stockton full interview is up only for a few hours, u just have to register

Vaccines Revealed COVID Edition | Registration

Big Pharma REALLY doesn't want this to get out. They are going to Extreme Measures to keep this cover-up going and continue their life-threatening disinformation campaign.

vrevealed.com

Yeah, nah. Not a ****ing chance I register on an anti-vax site.

And anything that starts with the classic "What they don't want you to know..." is basically screaming that it's ******** intended for ****ing idiots.

 

[carey scurry fan]

Yeah, nah. Not a ****ing chance I register on an anti-vax site.

And anything that starts with the classic "What they don't want you to know..." is basically screaming that it's ******** intended for ****ing idiots.

anti-vax? dude go **** urself you have no proof of that you have an agenda and I didnt pm you to do anything u lowlife punk coward. You posted on here with your bias and ignorance so kindly delete your response and have a nice day.

 

[fishonjazz]

Yeah, nah. Not a ****ing chance I register on an anti-vax site.

And anything that starts with the classic "What they don't want you to know..." is basically screaming that it's ******** intended for ****ing idiots.

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[Gameface]

anti-vax? dude go f$%k urself you have no proof of that you have an agenda and I didnt pm you to do anything u lowlife punk coward. You posted on here with your bias and ignorance so kindly delete your response and have a nice day.

I most certainly will NOT be deleting my response.

A video that says "Big pharma REALLY doesn't want this to get out. They are going to Extreme Measures to keep this cover-up going and continue their life threatening disinformation campaign" is an anti-vax video. The site that posts it is an anti-vax site. You are an anti-vax conspiracy theorist, and you contribute to actual human deaths and disease. If I had my way you would be charged as an accomplice to murder and I'd lock your *** up.

 

[Keefe]

Stop trying to hijack my thread with your fear porn, Nothing was stated in this thread that this is a hoax. We as human beings have the right to question these lockdowns that cause more harm than the virus. Get off the tv and internet because you are brainwashed.

Please shut the **** up and use your ****ing brain you imbecile. Look at South Korea. Look at Japan. There was a pretty simple solution to all of this. Stay in your house as close to 24/7 as possible. Follow simple protocols one of which was to wear a ****ing mask whenever out. Jesus, I’m not even gonna go on.

 

[LogGrad98]

Please shut the **** up and use your ****ing brain you imbecile. Look at South Korea. Look at Japan. There was a pretty simple solution to all of this. Stay in your house as close to 24/7 as possible. Follow simple protocols one of which was to wear a ****ing mask whenever out. Jesus, I’m not even gonna go on.

Some big assumptions there man.




You know, that he has a brain, knows how to use it, etc.

 

[babe]

Some big assumptions there man.




You know, that he has a brain, knows how to use it, etc.

As I understand it, South Korea used cell phone data to do an extreme and extremely effective tracking of Covid from the outset. They got ahead of the spread.

I suspect our politicians didn't want to do that, on either side of the main stream, not even either extreme. It was not something we would accept.

It was NOT the general edict on face mask and isolation of everyone.

So, in general, more information is generally better than less, and screaming insults is just going nowhere.

I will listen to what people are saying regardless of point of view, but looking for any possible basis for the opinion/view that appears in any way credible. I don't claim to know much....... but I talk a lot......

I've considered doing a news/opinion aggregator site to make it easy to get the drift of various issues and what information people are using.

 

[babe]

As I understand it, South Korea used cell phone data to do an extreme and extremely effective tracking of Covid from the outset. They got ahead of the spread.

I suspect our politicians didn't want to do that, on either side of the main stream, not even either extreme. It was not something we would accept.

It was NOT the general edict on face mask and isolation of everyone.

So, in general, more information is generally better than less, and screaming insults is just going nowhere.

I will listen to what people are saying regardless of point of view, but looking for any possible basis for the opinion/view that appears in any way credible. I don't claim to know much....... but I talk a lot......

I've considered doing a news/opinion aggregator site to make it easy to get the drift of various issues and what information people are using.

I think it's fair to imagine the site is anti-vax, and it clearly pushes the factual bias of other media as a calling card for it's own "credibility". Anyone who believes there is no institutional or media bias today just wants to believe it's good to claim stuff that's not true.

In science, there's always been an "established" or "consensus" view that is at stake with new research. Used to be, it was considered good to question things.

But you really had to have facts to change the view.

 

[babe]

Oh, am I part of the reptilian Illuminati sent to personally oppress you now, too, snowflake? Only like free speech when people don’t use it against you?

This kind of comments re csf in his thread are unacceptable.

I believe he found a John Stockton quote in a bona fide anti-vax/other issues site that is clearly not favored by either the government bureaucrat institutions nor the democratic party nor the mainstream media.

I listened to John Stockton's comments, which seemed to me to be fairly general remarks in favor of opening up from the pandemic rules and getting back to more normal life, mainly taking issue with the specific need for some public health measures.

And while the medical institutions and pharmaceutical companies seem to get breaks they really should not be getting, the facts with vaccines cannot really be just dissed. Vaccines are a cost/benefit calculation, with general public health the big benefit. The cost is the people who experience problems with them. On the money side, it's a huge profit center for the medical providers and manufacturers and a cost to the general citizen in taxes or public debt.

I have worked close to the subject, close enough to just know that some research is fraudulent, some claims unjustified.

It is actually impossible to create a zero risk vaccine. What may be OK for a vast majority can and does seriously affect a few in negative ways we just can't see in advance. We try. We really try. But we're never 100%. We test to evaluate the safety of a vaccine, and that is why it normally takes years to get one approved for use. We sorta skipped a lot of that, to some extent at least, because the risk or downside of not having a vaccine for covid was exceptional. It was a cost/benefit calculation.

I think we have some good vaccines, and I'm not telling anyone not to get them.

But I still read anti-vax material because it's important to understand people before you try to change them.

I think, overall, that the antivax site exploited John Stockton by invoking his credibility, but if you just look at what he said, I think it's OK. Maybe not absolutely OK. But certainly not intended convince people to disregard public health measures, maybe more of call for those in charge to try to address reasonable questions and concerns.

I agree it's time we opened up in a careful way.

 

[Beer]

Please shut the **** up and use your ****ing brain you imbecile. Look at South Korea. Look at Japan. There was a pretty simple solution to all of this. Stay in your house as close to 24/7 as possible. Follow simple protocols one of which was to wear a ****ing mask whenever out. Jesus, I’m not even gonna go on.

A few things.
1. Staying in your house 24/7 is not simple for a good majority of the population.
2. Not a lot of evidence that masks do much of anything at all. Unless they are N95 but not many people have access to those. Walk around and 95% of people wearing masks aren't even close to wearing them correctly. Now I'm no anti masker, I wear mine all the time, not a big deal. But there is little to no evidence they are actually helping curb covid
3. Look at the recent study comparing Florida's do whatever you want, wherever you want, whenever you want and California's shut everything down, no school, no gatherings, no work, etc .... and they have almost the exact same cases per 100k and same deaths per 100k. So what does that tell us?

I think the data and science is pointing more and more to let people live their lives, old and sick people do your best to stay away from everyone, and lets hope like hell the vaccine works as intended.

 

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2. Not a lot of evidence that masks do much of anything at all. Unless they are N95 but not many people have access to those. Walk around and 95% of people wearing masks aren't even close to wearing them correctly. Now I'm no anti masker, I wear mine all the time, not a big deal. But there is little to no evidence they are actually helping curb covid

Sure there is. You can't do double-blind experiments, but therre are plenty of studies showing reduced transmission of water droplets and the like.

Also, magnitude matters.

COVID update: Why masks and distancing matter, and why we need to change how things are run

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3. Look at the recent study comparing Florida's do whatever you want, wherever you want, whenever you want and California's shut everything down, no school, no gatherings, no work, etc .... and they have almost the exact same cases per 100k and same deaths per 100k. So what does that tell us?

Well, the notion that California has had consistent, long-term lockdown policies that "shut everything down" while Florida has had none across the state is ludicrous.

I think the data and science is pointing more and more to let people live their lives, old and sick people do your best to stay away from everyone, and lets hope like hell the vaccine works as intended.

Here's to Beer's next 500K!

 

[LogGrad98]

Sure there is. You can't do double-blind experiments, but therre are plenty of studies showing reduced transmission of water droplets and the like.

Also, magnitude matters.

COVID update: Why masks and distancing matter, and why we need to change how things are run

It’s surreal. I’ve been isolating with Tegan and the critters since March. It was pretty easy, because nobody was hiring, and neither of us was able to get wage labor until Tegan got a …

freethoughtblogs.com

Well, the notion that California has had consistent, long-term lockdown policies that "shut everything down" while Florida has had none across the state is ludicrous.


Here's to Beer's next 500K!

I can confirm, the state never really locked down. We do have shut downs of specific things, like restaurants (seating outside only, and spaced out), sports venues (pretty much just closed), and for a while, churches and the like were going only over zoom, not gathering together in a building. Some of that is being lifted now, and most recently the cases are dropping off dramatically.

IMO the best thing we did was using masks. This has the biggest effect as far as I am concerned.

But I think restricting gatherings and such actually caused a rebound effect. For example, we had friends who kept telling me they hadn't seen their family in weeks (they have a lot of extended family in the area). I asked about it and it seemed like they mostly visited their mom and dad and a couple cousins. But since they hadn't seen anyone in weeks, they went all out at Thanksgiving and had like 40 people at their house, all of their extended family, to make up for it. Needless to say it became a super-spreader event and like 15 people ended up sick, with I think 5 hospitalized, including their mom and dad. Everyone made it through ok from what I heard, but I think this was a pretty common scenario. So it limits the overall effectiveness of shutting everything down, due to human nature in this regard.

 

[Beer]

Sure there is. You can't do double-blind experiments, but therre are plenty of studies showing reduced transmission of water droplets and the like.

Also, magnitude matters.

COVID update: Why masks and distancing matter, and why we need to change how things are run

It’s surreal. I’ve been isolating with Tegan and the critters since March. It was pretty easy, because nobody was hiring, and neither of us was able to get wage labor until Tegan got a …

freethoughtblogs.com

Well, the notion that California has had consistent, long-term lockdown policies that "shut everything down" while Florida has had none across the state is ludicrous.


Here's to Beer's next 500K!

1. Water droplets are not even close to a virus in size. And also to my original point almost no one is wearing their masks even close to correctly. Huge gaps on the sides, nose exposed, pulling it off to talk, etc ...... The virus is so impossibly small that there is no way a crappy cloth mask let alone a poorly fitting one is doing much of anything.

2. Sure if we are comparing Florida and California over the last 11 months there might be some similarities. Everyone tried to lockdown in the beginning. But in the last 3 or 4 months there are pretty much no similarities in how they are handling it and yet almost the exact same results.

3. It's beginning to look more and more that the only possible way to keep it from spreading and keep sick people safe is. to lock everyone down. No leaving the house, no school, no restaurants, no shopping, no seeing anyone outside of your immediate household. Which anyone with half a brain knows is completely unreasonable.

As much as it pains me to say the loons on the right are looking closer to being right than the loons on the left.

 

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1. Water droplets are not even close to a virus in size. And also to my original point almost no one is wearing their masks even close to correctly. Huge gaps on the sides, nose exposed, pulling it off to talk, etc ...... The virus is so impossibly small that there is no way a crappy cloth mask let alone a poorly fitting one is doing much of anything.

2. Sure if we are comparing Florida and California over the last 11 months there might be some similarities. Everyone tried to lockdown in the beginning. But in the last 3 or 4 months there are pretty much no similarities in how they are handling it and yet almost the exact same results.

3. It's beginning to look more and more that the only possible way to keep it from spreading and keep sick people safe is. to lock everyone down. No leaving the house, no school, no restaurants, no shopping, no seeing anyone outside of your immediate household. Which anyone with half a brain knows is completely unreasonable.

As much as it pains me to say the loons on the right are looking closer to being right than the loons on the left.

1. The virus is transmitted via water droplets, like many other airborne viruses (such as measles). You stop the water droplet, you stop the virus.

2. I'm not sure where you are getting your information from, but given your sources completely erroneous knowledge regarding 1), I'll need to see some solid evidence before I acknowledge this. For example, Miami-Dade just rescinded an order closing restaurants, which order had previously been in place.

https://www.miamidade.gov/information/library/coronavirus-emergency-order-30-20.pdf

3. It's certainly has been possible to prevent spread in smaller counties where the populace takes these things seriously (Taiwan, South Korea, New Zealand), and they also use techniques like contact tracing for the occasional breakout. All of this requires significant government buy-in, so it is perhaps not viable in the US, but we never did take it that seriously, so who can say?