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John Stockton: Writes Plea for Capitol Rioter

I'm no fan of the Jan 6th people, but if the govt is going to charge her with a misdemeanor, and she plead guilty to it, and she has a clean record, I would prefer her to not see jail time. Then again, I don't like first time misdemeanor offenders seeing jail time for just about anything.
 
Say you are a Trump "University" graduate without saying you are a Trump "University" graduate.

Certainly most people have more in common with each other than either antifa or the proud boys or whatever, but having any kind of opinion gets you thrown into some radical camp now days. People need to lighten the **** up and pull their heads out of their asses now more than ever.


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Leave it to Jazzfanz members to bash Stockton because his ideologies don’t align with theirs. It’s not even a political statement. He’s just supporting a longtime friend. The biggest problem with politics today isn’t that people disagree. It’s that they believe their ideologies and politics are gods law. That anyone that disagrees with them is a heretic and must be forced to agree or they’re garbage.
 
Leave it to Jazzfanz members to bash Stockton because his ideologies don’t align with theirs. It’s not even a political statement. He’s just supporting a longtime friend. The biggest problem with politics today isn’t that people disagree. It’s that they believe their ideologies and politics are gods law. That anyone that disagrees with them is a heretic and must be forced to agree or they’re garbage.

I think you're a little off here. This isn't about your vote for a politician or your chosen ideology. This is about an attempt to bring down our country. This was an attack on our own Capitol by our own citizens. Based on lies. John Stockton writing a letter of support for a traitor who participated in this violent, deadly coup attempt against the USA which could have ended our democracy makes him at minimum an idiot and at maximum a traitor himself. **** John Stockton.
 
Protests are very appropriate form of exercising opinions and democracy, riots are not. January 6th was inexcusable. So were all of the BLM riots which set the current tone for rioting being acceptable. If you separate the 6th from the BLM ones it is only because it fits your political preference.
 
Leave it to Jazzfanz members to bash Stockton because his ideologies don’t align with theirs. It’s not even a political statement. He’s just supporting a longtime friend. The biggest problem with politics today isn’t that people disagree. It’s that they believe their ideologies and politics are gods law. That anyone that disagrees with them is a heretic and must be forced to agree or they’re garbage.
Like... storming the capitol and trying to force an election to not be certified? Like... this type of "believing their ideologies and politics are gods law"? It's shocking to me that publicly stated disagreement on an internet forum is the act tha tsome consider intolerant and "forcing an opinion", but actually storming the freaking Capitol while it's trying to certify an election is some benign "difference of opinion". No, actually one of them is protected speech and one of them is a crime. You can see which one is which by the fact that one of them is in front of court of law and awaiting sentencing and the other one can and is being challenged by other forum members openly and without any repercussions.
 
Protests are very appropriate form of exercising opinions and democracy, riots are not. January 6th was inexcusable. So were all of the BLM riots which set the current tone for rioting being acceptable. If you separate the 6th from the BLM ones it is only because it fits your political preference.
Lmao shut the ever living duck up.

One is a bunch of bored Facebook moms and neo nazis protesting over a bogus conspiracy theory and one is people protesting over the treatment of black people by the police force.

These are not equivalent moral issues.
 
I think you're a little off here. This isn't about your vote for a politician or your chosen ideology. This is about an attempt to bring down our country. This was an attack on our own Capitol by our own citizens. Based on lies. John Stockton writing a letter of support for a traitor who participated in this violent, deadly coup attempt against the USA which could have ended our democracy makes him at minimum an idiot and at maximum a traitor himself. **** John Stockton.
Some people!! OMG writing a letter like that doesn’t make someone a traitor. Only thing Stockton is guilty of is concern for a friend.
 
Like... storming the capitol and trying to force an election to not be certified? Like... this type of "believing their ideologies and politics are gods law"? It's shocking to me that publicly stated disagreement on an internet forum is the act tha tsome consider intolerant and "forcing an opinion", but actually storming the freaking Capitol while it's trying to certify an election is some benign "difference of opinion". No, actually one of them is protected speech and one of them is a crime. You can see which one is which by the fact that one of them is in front of court of law and awaiting sentencing and the other one can and is being challenged by other forum members openly and without any repercussions.
The other phrase that could be used would be coup d'é·tat. Luckily a failed coup, but an attempted coup nonetheless.

For anyone who missed this definintion, here it is:

noun: coup; plural noun: coups; noun: coup d'état; plural noun: coup d'états; plural noun: coups d'état
  1. 1.
    a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.
    "he was overthrown in an army coup"

It was, in every sense of the concept, an attempt at a sudden and violent (and illegal) seizure of power from the government. As far as a coup is concerned:

Advocating for the overthrow of the government is a federal crime that includes advocating, abetting, advising or the necessity of overthrowing or destroying the U.S. government by force or violence, or by the assassination of any government officials. It also applies to anyone organizing, joining or affiliating with a group that encourages overthrowing the government.

While Jan 6th does not necessarily directly fit the definition of treason as the constitution lays it out, it is definitely sedition.


Sedition is a federal crime that falls short of the offense of treason. While the crime of treason requires action, sedition is any conspiracy to overthrow, put down or to destroy by force the government of the United States. This includes preventing, hindering or delaying the execution of any law of the United States or seizing, taking or possessing any property of the United States. Merely advocating for the use of force does not qualify as sedition as it is most likely protected by the First Amendment right to freedom of speech.

What happened on Jan 6th was anything but a protest. Oh, it started that way, then it was pushed to the point where the mob felt justified in carrying out seditious acts. And they need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, regardless of how "harmless" what they did may seem. The only reason it could even be said to be harmless at all is because our republic is strong enough to survive such an attack from its citizens. This is completely inexcusable and no one who participated should be considered beyond the law.

This is all a far far far far far far far cry from a protest. Protests are generally peaceful, and follow specific laws as well. Riots during protests are deplorable and those rioting and causing bodily harm to others (think Reginald Denny) and/or destruction or theft of property, need to be prosecuted for such to the fullest extent of the law. It is also inexcusable.

It is also about as far removed from a coup attempt as a cold is from terminal cancer.
 
That said, reading the statement from Stockton, all it said was that he felt this person had high character and implied that any actions like this were out of character for her. Nothing more, nothing less. He did not advocate for the coup, he did not explain away any involvement in the coup on her part. He just said he couldn't see her doing something like that. This is all so over-blown it is just stupid. Yeah he has some extreme right-wing views on ****, does not mean every view he has espouses every right-wing conspiracy and extremist action. It is a major failing of the twitter cesspool culture that only soundbites carry weight and therefore everyone has to be defined in 145 characters or whatever the stupid limit is. Tough to get the full measure of a human being when all you get are all the loons regurgitating and exaggerating everything that gets posted that feeds their outrage.

Stockton is a right-winger bastard, who has questioned the vaccine, he must support the coup! He must be a rabid Trump-tard!! He must be in favor of eugenics! He must be a white-supremacist! He is a right-winger, how can he be anything else?! This has completely destroyed my childhood!1!!

**** that noise.

****ing horrible time in our country's history, and frankly in our society in general, imo, tbpfhwy.
 
I think you're a little off here. This isn't about your vote for a politician or your chosen ideology. This is about an attempt to bring down our country. This was an attack on our own Capitol by our own citizens. Based on lies. John Stockton writing a letter of support for a traitor who participated in this violent, deadly coup attempt against the USA which could have ended our democracy makes him at minimum an idiot and at maximum a traitor himself. **** John Stockton.
If 2000 non trained idiots storming the Capitol building in protest of the election count would end our democracy then we have some serious problems. Sept 11 didn't even come close to taking down our democracy, and if this did we have regressed tremendously. Are we so fragile now?
 
Leave it to Jazzfanz members to bash Stockton because his ideologies don’t align with theirs. It’s not even a political statement. He’s just supporting a longtime friend. The biggest problem with politics today isn’t that people disagree. It’s that they believe their ideologies and politics are gods law. That anyone that disagrees with them is a heretic and must be forced to agree or they’re garbage.
The lovely whine of people with privilege facing criticism.
 
So were all of the BLM riots which set the current tone for rioting being acceptable. If you separate the 6th from the BLM ones it is only because it fits your political preference.
Except, there was violence at only one BLM event, and they kicked out the guy that caused it (who later turned out to be a Jan 6 rioter). There was violence at many protests, but long after BLM was gone.
 
If 2000 non trained idiots storming the Capitol building in protest of the election count would end our democracy then we have some serious problems. Sept 11 didn't even come close to taking down our democracy, and if this did we have regressed tremendously. Are we so fragile now?
Sept. 11 wasn't trying to force the legislature to change the outcome of an election, either.

I don't know anyone who thinks Jan. 6 was "close" attempt. It was a deranged, far-fetched, ignorant attempt to overthrow our democracy that was doomed to failure. Being ignorant, deranged, far-fetched, or doomed to failure is not an excuse, nor a reason for people to not be punished.
 
Protests are very appropriate form of exercising opinions and democracy, riots are not. January 6th was inexcusable. So were all of the BLM riots which set the current tone for rioting being acceptable. If you separate the 6th from the BLM ones it is only because it fits your political preference.

I think “what” they were protesting matters as well.
Like i think cops killing unarmed incapacitated dudes is worth protesting.
Trying to over throw the government because you believe the lies of the cult leader you worship is no bueno.

Just my opinion.


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