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Here is a good breakdown of the border crisis.


Here is an article on the debacle of trying to get the bi-partisan bill passed.


So, yes, Trump did kill the first bi-partisan bill and most conservative border bill in decades.

Lastly, no one claimed Biden had the perfect plan, or even a good one, or that his policies did what they wanted them to do, just that they finally had a bi-partisan bill, Trump announced publicly that they shouldn't pass it, and, in perfect aryan lock-step, the ones who CREATED IT immediate CRATERED IT. That is indisputable. Also, no one takes into account the issue of people simply arriving at the border at higher numbers, or the rebound effect after the historic lows of COVID, instead they make it sound like Biden went to south America and personally invited people in while Trump stood with angels and a flaming sword, valiantly defending the border, when his own record isn't too great either, both from a crossing standpoint and from a humanitarian one. Not to mention the ridiculous border wall debacle that did NOTHING to curtail illegal immigration, but did cost taxpayers a ****-ton. When is Mexico writing us a check exactly?



But Trump supporters have been made to believe that all immigrants are scum of the earth and deserve any bad thing that comes their way, that is the Trump way, the "othering" of the demagogue or aspiring dictator. And boy does it work. I guess if you don't give a **** about women children or families as long as they come from "******** countries", then you are fine with everything he "accomplished", which is virtually no change in immigration, but a severe decline in human rights at the border. Yay?




And man, you sure do get testy when the Orange One is challenged. You sure you aren't MAGA dyed in the wool masquerading in sheep's clothing? The evidence is building.
Look at my arguments, see if they are economical based or tribe based and you will get your answer.

I don’t call immigrants any other term but illegal immigrants. I don’t fault them, yet say they are trying to do what it takes for a better life and it’s not their fault. This problem is the US governments. We did this to ourselves.

You might not like that Kamala’s competence is lacking, she has not ideas, has no convictions other than stripping rights from people

You might want to fault Trump for everything, but that’s not being honest. This is one of those issues. This invasion is 100% on border Czar Kamala and Biden’s administration. This caused more issues to Americans finances, wages and purchasing power than almost anything else before. This is our biggest issue.

See if I was MAGA, I would say deport everyone, yet you don’t see me say that. I say close the border, pause immigration, fix our house and reopen with needs based immigration.

Again please be honest that it was the Biden administration that let in 9.8 million people in less than 4 years… no one else’s fault but theirs.
 
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I don’t call immigrants any other term but illegal immigrants.

Not to not pick but I think you misspoke here.

I don't think of Melania trump as an illegal immigrant.


I don't think it's Bidens or Kamala's fault that so many people want to come to America. I'm going to go ahead and blame that on hundreds of years of prosperity while currently kicking most of the rest of the worlds *** economically.

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Look at my arguments, see if they are economical based or tribe based and you will get your answer.

I don’t call immigrants any other term but illegal immigrants. I don’t fault them, yet say they are trying to do what it takes for a better life and it’s not their fault. This problem is the US governments. We did this to ourselves.

You might not like that Kamala’s competence is lacking, she has not ideas, has no convictions other than stripping rights from people

You might want to fault Trump for everything, but that’s not being honest. This is one of those issues. This invasion is 100% on border Czar Kamala and Biden’s administration. This caused more issues to Americans finances, wages and purchasing power than almost anything else before. This is our biggest issue.

See if I was MAGA, I would say deport everyone, yet you don’t see me say that. I say close the border, pause immigration, fix our house and reopen with needs based immigration.

Again please be honest that it was the Biden administration that let in 9.8 million people in less than 4 years… no one else’s fault but theirs.
This "invasion" is not a ****ing invasion. You act like you don't blame them, but then you say they are conducting an invasion. That is a hostile act. They are not engaged in hostilities, they are engaged in survival.

Kamala may be partially responsible for the number of people entering illegally. That's because the reason immigration to the U.S. is so high is that the U.S. has avoided an economic downturn and never had anything close to the same inflation as most South American countries. Our excellent economy is the primary cause of increased immigration, so yeah, thanks Biden, thanks Kamala!

There is only one solution that will work to stop the flow... either South America's economy needs to get better than ours or ours needs to go into a recession. That is the only way that immigration will be reduced.

You've made statements about closing the boarder. What kind of force field do you have in mind to accomplish that? It doesn't exist. Even if there was a death wall. Sure we'd kill thousands and thousands of people who come up to that wall and being unable to cross it they die in the desert via dehydration, heat stroke or general exposure. What we wouldn't do is effectively stop illegal immigration.

Regan couldn't do it. Bush Sr, couldn't do it, Clinton couldn't do it, Bush Jr. couldn't do it, Obama couldn't do it (but that MFer tried as hard as any of them), Trump couldn't do it and Biden couldn't do it. But yeah, it's all Kamala's fault.
 
This "invasion" is not a ****ing invasion. You act like you don't blame them, but then you say they are conducting an invasion. That is a hostile act. They are not engaged in hostilities, they are engaged in survival.

Kamala may be partially responsible for the number of people entering illegally. That's because the reason immigration to the U.S. is so high is that the U.S. has avoided an economic downturn and never had anything close to the same inflation as most South American countries. Our excellent economy is the primary cause of increased immigration, so yeah, thanks Biden, thanks Kamala!

There is only one solution that will work to stop the flow... either South America's economy needs to get better than ours or ours needs to go into a recession. That is the only way that immigration will be reduced.

You've made statements about closing the boarder. What kind of force field do you have in mind to accomplish that? It doesn't exist. Even if there was a death wall. Sure we'd kill thousands and thousands of people who come up to that wall and being unable to cross it they die in the desert via dehydration, heat stroke or general exposure. What we wouldn't do is effectively stop illegal immigration.

Regan couldn't do it. Bush Sr, couldn't do it, Clinton couldn't do it, Bush Jr. couldn't do it, Obama couldn't do it (but that MFer tried as hard as any of them), Trump couldn't do it and Biden couldn't do it. But yeah, it's all Kamala's fault.

Immigration is a boon for the economy illegal or not. Always has been.
 
Immigration is a boon for the economy illegal or not. Always has been.
Our economy, for better or worse, is dependent on constant expansion. Birthrates are down, so...

I wonder, though, how people balance their dislike of immigration with their positivity towards higher levels of procreation domestically. There's a small difference in those two things, of course, for instance, the immigrants are less likely to commit crimes, will generally be more willing and able to do some of the harder jobs compared to Tiffany and Brian's 17 year old princess Lillaphanneigh who only needs a job to pay for the insurance on the car her parents bought for her. Lillaphanneigh's parents are practicing tough love, you see, making her pay for her own insurance on her Mercedes.
 
Not to not pick but I think you misspoke here.

I don't think of Melania trump as an illegal immigrant.
Did she come in legally or illegally?

Call Trump a Felon, Call someone who crosses the border an illegal alien. It’s not a derogatory term, it’s a factual statement.

I don't think it's Bidens or Kamala's fault that so many people want to come to America.
Why did immigration trends drop dramatically half a year before the election? Do people not want to come to America anymore?
Why did immigration trends spike to all time levels when Biden was elected?

It’s not coincidences…

I'm going to go ahead and blame that on hundreds of years of prosperity while currently kicking most of the rest of the worlds *** economically.
Sure that’s the incentive to come here, for prosperity. Bully for them. Great work and sacrifice by the illegal immigrants to make it here. Bully for them. But again it hurts Americans, when taking too many in.

I’m just the messenger, you can hate it, ignore it or don’t care about it. Doesn’t bother me.
 
Did she come in legally or illegally?

Call Trump a Felon, Call someone who crosses the border an illegal alien. It’s not a derogatory term, it’s a factual statement.

You said you call immigrants, illegal immigrants.

I call illegal immigrants illegal immigrants and immigrants immigrants. I don't call all immigrants illegal immigrants as that would be inaccurate since some immigrants are here legally.


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You said you call immigrants, illegal immigrants.

I call illegal immigrants illegal immigrants and immigrants immigrants. I don't call all immigrants illegal immigrants as that would be inaccurate since some immigrants are here legally.


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Word.

And Trump will literally always be a felon.
 
Our economy, for better or worse, is dependent on constant expansion. Birthrates are down, so...

I wonder, though, how people balance their dislike of immigration with their positivity towards higher levels of procreation domestically. There's a small difference in those two things, of course, for instance, the immigrants are less likely to commit crimes, will generally be more willing and able to do some of the harder jobs compared to Tiffany and Brian's 17 year old princess Lillaphanneigh who only needs a job to pay for the insurance on the car her parents bought for her. Lillaphanneigh's parents are practicing tough love, you see, making her pay for her own insurance on her Mercedes.
This first point is especially interesting. We already are facing a retirement crisis as the baby-boomers work their way onto social security, and it is widely known to be a reverse pyramid right now with not enough people at the bottom paying in to support the structure, since we have allowed politicians to ransack SS funding all these decades. Adding entry-level workers to the work force will be a net positive in this regard.
 
Why did immigration trends drop dramatically half a year before the election? Do people not want to come to America anymore?
Why did immigration trends spike to all time levels when Biden was elected?

COVID. COVID. COVID. How many times does this need to be said?

You can't just ignore the worst global pandemic in a century and pretend it had no effect on immigration, economy, inflation...everything. Including the very league that caused this forum to exist. The Lakers and their Mickey Mouse bubble "championship."
 
COVID. COVID. COVID. How many times does this need to be said?

You can't just ignore the worst global pandemic in a century and pretend it had no effect on immigration, economy, inflation...everything. Including the very league that caused this forum to exist. The Lakers and their Mickey Mouse bubble "championship."
There was no economic opportunity here during COVID. With everything shut down where were these folks going to work?

Oh wait, I get it. Some people think that immigrants come here to live the sweet life off of handouts. Those people have no idea how the majority of government benefits work and that an undocumented immigrant doesn't qualify for the vast majority of them, especially the ones that give you actual food or cash (EBT).
 
Immigration is a boon for the economy illegal or not. Always has been.
And it’s one of the major reasons why our country is prospering so much.

If Donald gets his way, 6 percent of the country’s population will be deported/killed (which is typically what happens with forced relocations). Wonder what that’ll do to our economy? Hate grocery prices now? Just wait until most of those who work in agriculture are deported/dead.

It’s incredibly ironic that those who whine the most about their forgotten towns are the ones who’ll be hit the most economically with one of trump’s only consistent thoughts, getting rid of brown people. In many ways I hope MAGA gets what they’re asking for. They truly deserve more tax cuts for folks like Elon Musk, destruction of social security, and the economic destruction of their communities. But they’re too stupid/stubborn to admit that they’re wrong. Just as we saw with Covid, they’ll gladly get sick for Trump as long as it means being an oppositional defiant child to liberals trying to be the adults of the country.
 
There was no economic opportunity here during COVID. With everything shut down where were these folks going to work?

Oh wait, I get it. Some people think that immigrants come here to live the sweet life off of handouts. Those people have no idea how the majority of government benefits work and that an undocumented immigrant doesn't qualify for the vast majority of them, especially the ones that give you actual food or cash (EBT).
I’ve cited a CATO study before (they’re not liberal) first generation immigrants produce much more economically than non-college educated (native) whites. Perhaps the focus in America needs to shift from demonizing brown people to the complete and utter moral collapse of non-college educated whites? If you aren’t going to college or learning a trade, what are you doing with your life? They’re not filling the jobs that immigrants are filling.

One of the factory owners in Springfield talked about how the Haitian immigrant workers always showed up on time, worked hard, and weren’t always drunk/high.

I wish I had 30 more. Our Haitian associates come to work every day. They don't have a drug problem. They will stay at their machine. They will achieve their numbers. They are here to work. And so, in general, that's a stark difference from what were used to in our community.

Obviously, he’d had some bad experiences before. Non-college/trade school educated whites have Gotta do something other than bitch about immigrants and suck off the government teet until they eventually blow their heads off with guns or die of OD. The older I get the more I see their plight as a moral Issue, not an economic one. They just shouldn’t see certain jobs as being “beneath them.” Nor should they be so damn lazy. My grandparents made two major moves in their lives, 1) to escape the dust bowl to California 2) to retain their jobs with the army, they left the Bay Area to work at the Tooele Army Depot. I’m sure they missed their friends and family in the Midwest to start new lives in California. And I’m sure moving from the Napa Valley to Tooele in the 1960s as non-Mormons must’ve been a shock. And if you go far enough back, I’m sure my ancestors hated leaving Italy to start a new life here. I’m sure leaving it was difficult for my mom’s ancestors to settle upstate New York, convert to Mormonism, and then travel all over Missouri, Illinois, and settle in Utah (one of my ancestors buried his wife and newborn in Wyoming). But non-lazy people have been re-inventing themselves and moving to where jobs and opportunity are since the dawn of time.

To see many in america whine about being victims while doing nothing to improve their situation really bugs me. Too much entitlement, its origins coming from the collapse of reconstruction when poor whites relied on their skin color to feel superior despite being just as poor as many immigrants and newly freed blacks. Our country is seeing incredible wealth and prosperity. If you’re “stuck” in some dumpster fire of a town, try moving out. Try going to school. Improve your situation. Don’t just bitch about it and hope a strongman fixes everything by deporting people who actually are trying to improve themselves and the communities they live in.



 
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