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Las Vegas: Worst Mass Shooting in US History

DutchJazzer said:
this is no conspiracy theory. but whatever happened to the motive?


or is it like CNN said this time motive does not matter!
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Yeah, obviously not a conspiracy or else the conspirators would have invented a motive for their fall guy before their ingenious plan to fire into a crowd went into effect.

Step 1 - Identify fall guy
Step 2 - Fire into a crowd of people
Step 3 - ?
Step 4 - ??
Step 5 - PROFIT!!!!!
 
I will say this. The fact that no motive has been determined as yet, along with conflicting statements on the timeline between the police and MGM, probably ensures that this event will almost certainly enter the ranks of conspiracy theories in America. It already has. Given time, it may grow in stature in the world of conspiracy thought....
 
One more on the arguments against these grand conspiracies.

The people who are generally accused of pulling off these conspiracies, so that they can control and manipulate us, already control the world. The governments, industrialists, big bankers, etc., these guys don't need to pretend to fly planes into buildings only to secretly demolish the buildings in order to gain power, control and wealth (however that's supposed to help). We know how they control the world. They make the laws, they make the regulations, they fix the system to benefit themselves, all out in the light of day.

If they did 9/11 they did it for funsies. They did it just so they could brag about it at parties. It had noting to do with with a need they have to gain what they already have.
 
Red said:
Lol. i'm an oldster "lost" in my grand ideology? I'm a lifelong student of History, specializing in Europe since the French Revolution, but well enough versed in American history as well. And who recognizes the dangers of authoritarianism. There are no grand ideologies. You still don't understand that people can think differently from yourself without having fallen under the influence of ideologies. I'm as independent a thinker as it gets.

Did you just trigger me? Lol, maybe, but I still like ya and get a kick out of ya. Carry on....

P.S. Pick up a copy of On Tyranny: 20 Lessons from the 20th Century" by historian Timothy Snyder, and you might begin to understand....
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the "Native American" ghost dance/kiva/sweat lodge spiritualist world view is an "ideology" in my book, as is the crap about psychology you peddle sometimes.

An "Ideology" is a cohesive world view based on rational thought, any kind of such human-designed world view.

Early Christian "gnostics" and the writings of the Apostle Paul are ideological as well

So also with Confucian thought, Taoist beliefs, Hindu beliefs, Secular Humanism, Darwinism, any kind of evolutionary model, standard geological science, globalism or even Vegans in most cases.

My concern with "ideological beliefs" is the way we use them to create shortcuts to actual understanding, or objective observation. We love shortcuts, mentally. Saves us a lot of trouble, blinds us to a lot of real stuff.

Political ideology is particularly concerning..... Particular historical determinism of any kind used to make value judgments on whether someone is on the right historical side of anything.....

Perhaps you could respond that I am as ideological as anyone.... maybe...but I think the fact is that there is no self-existing "history" or historical operative principle that prevails over human choices.

We do what we do. That's history. We choose to believe what we love most (to believe). There's nothing more to it. Or if you think there is, explain it somehow sometime.

Most religions attribute self-existence to God, most scientists attribute self-existence to "laws of nature" or fundamental principles of forces. I suppose your belief in "History" encompasses a view of some kind of direction you consider inexorable progress. lol.

and you think Hillary is the best we can do. God how stupid can humans be.
 
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Bulletproof said:
One more on the arguments against these grand conspiracies.

The people who are generally accused of pulling off these conspiracies, so that they can control and manipulate us, already control the world. The governments, industrialists, big bankers, etc., these guys don't need to pretend to fly planes into buildings only to secretly demolish the buildings in order to gain power, control and wealth (however that's supposed to help). We know how they control the world. They make the laws, they make the regulations, they fix the system to benefit themselves, all out in the light of day.

If they did 9/11 they did it for funsies. They did it just so they could brag about it at parties. It had noting to do with with a need they have to gain what they already have.
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I find this kind of talk baseless.

You seem to be trying so hard to deny "conspiracy theories" but you never actually address the basic premises of the so-called theories.

If there were any kind of "establishment" with the kind of control you postulate, maybe there would be no need for any drama of any kind, I suppose. But since you don't understand the basic principles of puppetry, I suppose you'll miss or deliberately deny the art.

Any kind of society needs some kind of fanciful theoretical cultural "show" to be going on, or else folks will invent one somehow. It's the nature of the human mind to imagine things like purpose, meaning, control, good or evil, or whatever schemes for maintaining power or accumulating wealth.

Until we are totally replaced by mere robots designed by Siro, human history will read like a Spy vs. Spy comic.

It's what we do. It's who we are.


Besides, insisting David Rockefeller(or his heir), George Soros, and Bill Gates are just good ol' boys drowning worms down on the crick, and have never planned or done anything is pretty much a stretch.

Even if there is no Devil, pretty much most people are justified in their conviction that influential, powerful people do exist and act for reason, and maybe not for good reason, and particularly not acting to do what they(THE LITTLE FOLK) really wish or believe should be done for the sake of what they see as "good". However artlessly they construct their theories....
 
So, it appears that the story outta Vegas is still shape-shifting......

The security guard originally thought to have been the hero who interdicted the shooter.... well, he was the first person shot. huh?

So now here's my theory. We don't have the shooter yet. The gambler on the 32nd floor was picked as the fall guy. An easy mark, since he was on his binge of gambling and hosing his ho. totally predictable, patterned behavior across several days. oh wait, gotta back up...... nah, I know nothing.... it would take someone on the staff of MGM, a complete liberal bot controlled by DARP
A or whatever, psyched up on psychiatric meds knows to induce suggestibility and manipulability/////

It is known now that the suspected/dead/killed gambler was indeed a heavy user of psychotropic prescription which, curiously, seemto show up everywhere in mass shooters....

So, folks, just for funzzzies..... BYU put out a neat little series called "Granite Flats" with a doped character psychologically progammed to shoot up some guvment folk......

At any rate, if true, the guard being down during the whole shootout raises more questions than answers. Don't those guards have body cams, mics, and such with some supervisory folks down in the basement watching all the hall cams?????

and how about the psychological effects of all those casino games, or even the poker tables.....under all kinds of advanced gadgetry....

So here's a conspiracy theory with legs.... we'll still be talking about it twenty years from now.....
 
As a side note......

It's only true communitarian future re-education camp bots who do neg reps. Really. Or even dislikes.

Fundamentally, if a board is for comments or opinions, it would fundamentally encourage some diversity of thought. But if it is some kind of tool for homogenizing the managed/slave class of humanity, of course you need to ride herd and do the negs and dislikes.


Yeeee Haaawwwww.

Ride'm cowboy!!!!!


So for what it's worth, fundamentally, people who see slavery and the enlightened management of mankind by a superior upper class of managerial bots have lost the little spark most essential to their own humanity....

just sayin......
 
Bulletproof said:
Yeah, obviously not a conspiracy or else the conspirators would have invented a motive for their fall guy before their ingenious plan to fire into a crowd went into effect.

Step 1 - Identify fall guy
Step 2 - Fire into a crowd of people
Step 3 - ?
Step 4 - ??
Step 5 - PROFIT!!!!!
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mass shootings do increase gun sales... Very aggressive guerrilla market campaign?
 
Rubashov said:
mass shootings do increase gun sales... Very aggressive guerrilla market campaign?
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also george sorros iniated a LARGE LARGE LARGE LARGE short on MGM stocks


shroting for those commies who know nothing about stock markets mean betting the stock will go down on mgm
 
the names do not matter, because the names give them noteriety which they want!

the polcie should keep the name secret, and the media should not speak it;s name.
 
babe said:
the "Native American" ghost dance/kiva/sweat lodge spiritualist world view is an "ideology" in my book, as is the crap about psychology you peddle sometimes.

An "Ideology" is a cohesive world view based on rational thought, any kind of such human-designed world view.

Early Christian "gnostics" and the writings of the Apostle Paul are ideological as well

So also with Confucian thought, Taoist beliefs, Hindu beliefs, Secular Humanism, Darwinism, any kind of evolutionary model, standard geological science, globalism or even Vegans in most cases.

My concern with "ideological beliefs" is the way we use them to create shortcuts to actual understanding, or objective observation. We love shortcuts, mentally. Saves us a lot of trouble, blinds us to a lot of real stuff.

Political ideology is particularly concerning..... Particular historical determinism of any kind used to make value judgments on whether someone is on the right historical side of anything.....

Perhaps you could respond that I am as ideological as anyone.... maybe...but I think the fact is that there is no self-existing "history" or historical operative principle that prevails over human choices.

We do what we do. That's history. We choose to believe what we love most (to believe). There's nothing more to it. Or if you think there is, explain it somehow sometime.

Most religions attribute self-existence to God, most scientists attribute self-existence to "laws of nature" or fundamental principles of forces. I suppose your belief in "History" encompasses a view of some kind of direction you consider inexorable progress. lol.

and you think Hillary is the best we can do. God how stupid can humans be.
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I agree with most of what you're saying here, with the exception of the notion of inexorable progress in history and ranking Hillary. Otherwise, I take my country very seriously, and very personally. We Americans might have been born, or nurtured, or both, to be Right or Left, but we still do need to find a way to be truly fellow Americans, each to all. Would help to have a leader that understood that simple fact. Right now, he focuses on the culture wars as a means to maintaining his base. His base will forgive every failure to legislate his campaign promises, so long as he continues to speak their language in the culture wars. And it's those culture wars that are driving us further and further apart. That's simply not leadership.
 
babe said:
the "Native American" ghost dance/kiva/sweat lodge spiritualist world view is an "ideology" in my book, as is the crap about psychology you peddle sometimes.

An "Ideology" is a cohesive world view based on rational thought, any kind of such human-designed world view.

Early Christian "gnostics" and the writings of the Apostle Paul are ideological as well

So also with Confucian thought, Taoist beliefs, Hindu beliefs, Secular Humanism, Darwinism, any kind of evolutionary model, standard geological science, globalism or even Vegans in most cases.

My concern with "ideological beliefs" is the way we use them to create shortcuts to actual understanding, or objective observation. We love shortcuts, mentally. Saves us a lot of trouble, blinds us to a lot of real stuff.

Political ideology is particularly concerning..... Particular historical determinism of any kind used to make value judgments on whether someone is on the right historical side of anything.....

Perhaps you could respond that I am as ideological as anyone.... maybe...but I think the fact is that there is no self-existing "history" or historical operative principle that prevails over human choices.

We do what we do. That's history. We choose to believe what we love most (to believe). There's nothing more to it. Or if you think there is, explain it somehow sometime.

Most religions attribute self-existence to God, most scientists attribute self-existence to "laws of nature" or fundamental principles of forces. I suppose your belief in "History" encompasses a view of some kind of direction you consider inexorable progress. lol.

and you think Hillary is the best we can do. God how stupid can humans be.
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Continuing with my thoughts from the previous comment, when considering Timothy Snyder's thoughts on the difference between patriotism and nationalism, I regard myself as an American patriot to Trump as an American uber nationalist, and I've never known uber nationalism, which he is elevating in the aforementioned culture wars, to do a people much good at all. So, tell me what Snyder has gotten wrong here:

“The president is a nationalist, which is not at all the same thing as a patriot. A nationalist encourages us to be our worst, and then tells us that we are the best. A nationalist, “although endlessly brooding on power, victory, defeat, revenge,” wrote Orwell, tends to be “uninterested in what happens in the real world.” Nationalism is relativist, since the only truth is the resentment we feel when we contemplate others. As the novelist Danilo Kiš put it, nationalism “has no universal values, aesthetic or ethical.” A patriot, by contrast, wants the nation to live up to its ideals, which means asking us to be our best selves. A patriot must be concerned with the real world, which is the only place where his country can be loved and sustained. A patriot has universal values, standards by which he judges his nation, always wishing it well—and wishing that it would do better. Democracy failed in Europe in the 1920s, ’30s, and ’40s, and it is failing not only in much of Europe but in many parts of the world today. It is that history and experience that reveals to us the dark range of our possible futures. A nationalist will say that “it can’t happen here,” which is the first step toward disaster. A patriot says that it could happen here, but that we will stop it."

― Timothy Snyder, On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Century
 
babe said:
the "Native American" ghost dance/kiva/sweat lodge spiritualist world view is an "ideology" in my book, as is the crap about psychology you peddle sometimes.

An "Ideology" is a cohesive world view based on rational thought, any kind of such human-designed world view.

Early Christian "gnostics" and the writings of the Apostle Paul are ideological as well

So also with Confucian thought, Taoist beliefs, Hindu beliefs, Secular Humanism, Darwinism, any kind of evolutionary model, standard geological science, globalism or even Vegans in most cases.

My concern with "ideological beliefs" is the way we use them to create shortcuts to actual understanding, or objective observation. We love shortcuts, mentally. Saves us a lot of trouble, blinds us to a lot of real stuff.

Political ideology is particularly concerning..... Particular historical determinism of any kind used to make value judgments on whether someone is on the right historical side of anything.....

Perhaps you could respond that I am as ideological as anyone.... maybe...but I think the fact is that there is no self-existing "history" or historical operative principle that prevails over human choices.

We do what we do. That's history. We choose to believe what we love most (to believe). There's nothing more to it. Or if you think there is, explain it somehow sometime.

Most religions attribute self-existence to God, most scientists attribute self-existence to "laws of nature" or fundamental principles of forces. I suppose your belief in "History" encompasses a view of some kind of direction you consider inexorable progress. lol.

and you think Hillary is the best we can do. God how stupid can humans be.
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Hey babe. Just some final thoughts in reply. No, I don't subscribe to "inexorable progress" where human history is concerned. I might be tempted to make an exception where human technology is concerned. The Stone Age upwards after all. But I'm not sure I can even subscribe to the notion of "progress" there. Witness the rise of all the dire warnings where one technological frontier, AI, is concerned. As well, I might be tempted to not include digital technology. After all, it has produced social media. Just looking at the comments people lob at each other, both anonymously and in their own names, on Facebook and elsewhere, it would be hard to call that progress. Indeed, social media has deepened the culture wars in America. That's not progress at all. I seem to be addicted to social media, and I cannot honestly say that's a good thing at all. I sometimes wonder what the hey I did with myself before picking up my iPad accompanied by my first morning coffee. Not good.

Also, although you don't mention it, I do not believe history repeats itself in a literal sense. Instead, I can derive lessons from it. I look for similar responses by human beings to the stress initiated by rapid social and cultural change. And the rise of similar styles of leadership within societies undergoing rapid social and cultural change. And the similar ways such leadership looks to take advantage of segments of a population reacting to the stress they feel. And the dangers that can arise within a society when such leaders do make their appearance at such times in a nation's history. To really come to grips and understand all that more clearly does require understanding human psychology and human motivation, both of which can be similar in different times and different places. So, human psychology is not irrelevant here at all, though I'm no psychologist. But that is not history repeating itself, as much as it is understanding similar responses and results within social groups undergoing rapid cultural and social change. Our ongoing culture wars are a clear example that this is happening in America, and I do honestly believe that Trump's refusal to try and bridge the gap is a clear failure of leadership on his part. Instead, he stokes the flames of that culture war. That ain't good, IMHO.

I've never mentioned the Ghost Dance, but that is one excellent example of a type of response sometimes seen in the face of rapid social and cultural change. In this case, a sadly desperate hope for the return of a way of life under fatal assault.

Well enough. I'm far off topic here, but appreciate your effort to characterize me. You got some things right. You know, you do make me work hard. And that is a good thing in my book...
 
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