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Las Vegas: Worst Mass Shooting in US History

I get it and it truly is an issue and it needs to be addressed but the whole mental illness issue, and perhaps the way the media covers it, might be giving future idiots an open door to commit such acts, them rationalizing their behavior because hey, they know America empathizes with their "affliction." I should be better at explaining myself, given I am a teacher, and I'm sure no one will agree with me, and I have no proof to suggest this, and I have no background in psychology, but I feel like it's just the way the human mind works.

My brother committed suicide. At his service, there were probably about 500 current or former students. I didn't cry and was very thankful and pretty positive as I stood in line and greeted them as they offered their condolences. Sorry, but there was no way I was going to cry and be broken up up there in front of kids. My brother made a very poor choice. End of story. I didn't want any impressionable and misguided minds seeing weeping family members, feeling sorry for him, taking similarly stupid future actions down the line.
 
Archie Moses said:
Micah Xavier Johnson, Omar Mateen and Spencer Hight to name the ones off the top of my head.
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Interesting article on "american assassins" found by googling Micah Johnson.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/micah-xavier-johnson-assassin_us_578936ede4b08608d3347fa8

After the shooting spree that lasted for several hours, Johnson was mortally wounded by a robot wielding an explosive. His final act was to write a note in blood ― “RB”. The desire to tie him to a black nationalist movement is so strong that there’s been serious speculation that he was trying to write “RBG,” which stands for “red, black and green,” the colors of the Pan-African flag. But in looking for meaning in the message, the media has missed the meaning in the act. The very act of writing in that moment places Johnson in the tradition not of the black militant, but of the American assassin.

While he looked different, both politically and physically, from most well-known assassins, in the pantheon of American assassins, there was nothing unusual about Micah Xavier Johnson.
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Wes Mantooth said:
I get it and it truly is an issue and it needs to be addressed but the whole mental illness issue, and perhaps the way the media covers it, might be giving future idiots an open door to commit such acts, them rationalizing their behavior because hey, they know America empathizes with their "affliction." I should be better at explaining myself, given I am a teacher, and I'm sure no one will agree with me, and I have no proof to suggest this, and I have no background in psychology, but I feel like it's just the way the human mind works.

My brother committed suicide. At his service, there were probably about 500 current or former students. I didn't cry and was very thankful and pretty positive as I stood in line and greeted them as they offered their condolences. Sorry, but there was no way I was going to cry and be broken up up there in front of kids. My brother made a very poor choice. End of story. I didn't want any impressionable and misguided minds seeing weeping family members, feeling sorry for him, taking similarly stupid future actions down the line.
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Yeah I think we need to clearly delineate the difference between facing and fixing our cultural response to mental illness and aggrandizing it. I think your concern was very valid, copycatting happens, especially given our current cultural atmosphere. "13 reasons", for example, shows how we view this and how certain segments of our population have taken to almost showing respect and admiration for it.

I also express my sincerest condolences. No one should ever have to lose a family member that way.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Yeah I think we need to clearly delineate the difference between facing and fixing our cultural response to mental illness and aggrandizing it. I think your concern was very valid, copycatting happens, especially given our current cultural atmosphere. "13 reasons", for example, shows how we view this and how certain segments of our population have taken to almost showing respect and admiration for it.

I also express my sincerest condolences. No one should ever have to lose a family member that way.
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Thanks. It's been seven years. We had had a falling out, primarily because of his volatile behavior. He was a great human being. Very hard-working, passionate, caring, driven, and self-accomplished. But I knew I shouldn't be around him. A sort of perfect storm happened.

While in college, he'd been robbed at gunpoint, had to get down, face down on the ground, gun to the back of his head, like that, and thus bought a gun years later and went to the range relatively often. Hunted some. Had that never happened, I doubt he'd have ever owned a gun. Around the time of his suicide (he was 39 y/o, he was running on fumes, dating a girl who lived across the river in Philly (getting like 3-4 hours of sleep way too often which is bad in my family--my dad and I have spoken about this--we become very moody and short when tired like this), and then she broke up with him. He was never whipped over a girl but when this girl broke up with him, he was crushed. Add in debt (I have no idea if this added to his stress--probably not but I've speculated), a recent injury which totally prohibited him from working out (we in my family seem to need those endorphins), and maybe most importantly, too much alcohol (and he wasn't a drinker like me at all), and his natural behavioral tendencies, and a bad night ensued. It's sad but it was tough for me to be saddened by it.
 
By the way, I don't want anyone here feeling sorry for me. Don't. If it was that sensitive of a topic, I wouldn't have brought it up. And quite frankly, and this is another large reason why I didn't cry at the service (or much in general), **** happens. My life hasn't been that bad. I grew up white and middle-class in the U.S. with two educated, well-meaning parents. The far majority of the world had it and has had it far ****tier than me, and for that, I had trouble shedding a tear.

#whiteprivilege
 
Wes Mantooth said:
By the way, I don't want anyone here feeling sorry for me. Don't. If it was that sensitive of a topic, I wouldn't have brought it up. And quite frankly, and this is another large reason why I didn't cry at the service (or much in general), **** happens. My life hasn't been that bad. I grew up white and middle-class in the U.S. with two educated, well-meaning parents. The far majority of the world had it and has had it far ****tier than me, and for that, I had trouble shedding a tear.

#whiteprivilege
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I feel ya. I bring up my own struggles here (depression, etc.) more as a way of not letting them have any hold on me. I am a believer that what we try to lock away in secret starts to put shackles on us, and if we let it into the light it never looks as bad as when we keep it in the dark, within reason of course (details, etc.).





Edit: An extreme example of this concept was the Parker-Hulme murders in the 50's, where 2 girls got so caught up in their own fantasy world they ended up killing one of their mothers. It was the topic of the movie "Heavenly Creatures" with Kate Winslet.
 
Still no motive, just ban guns right!


maybe it was big pharma, maybe it was brainwashing by the left to attack a concert dominated by conservative right wingers
 
People who develop conspiratorial theories when easy answers are not forthcoming, for instance in the case of determining motive(s) for the Las Vegas mass murderer, are very often people with very weak minds. Very often, the motives they offer as theories will involve pinning blame on their political opponents. This is of course, in the absence of evidence, highly irresponsible. When considering such sources and speculations, it is good to keep in mind that they are almost always full of buffalo biscuits....

Searching for motives in mass killings:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/searching-for-motives-in-mass-shootings
 
Red said:
People who develop conspiratorial theories when easy answers are not forthcoming, for instance in the case of determining motive(s) for the Las Vegas mass murderer, are very often people with very weak minds. Very often, the motives they offer as theories will involve pinning blame on their political opponents. This is of course, in the absence of evidence, highly irresponsible. When considering such sources and speculations, it is good to keep in mind that they are almost always full of buffalo biscuits....

Searching for motives in mass killings:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/searching-for-motives-in-mass-shootings
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Ya, and just labeling someone with a concern a conspiracy theorist doesnt solve anything either.

If people like you(and there are alot of yous) are always shouting others down and labeling them conspiracy nut jobs, wouldnt that make it pretty easy to get away with a conspiracy? No one is gonna believe the person that questions otherwise right? Because its taboo to say such things.

It would be a whole lot more productive(and harder) if you could explain why there still has been zero video evidence of the Vegas shooter even entering the hotel. You just take the easy way out and say conspiracy theorist. Is that because you have a weak mind?

I think its a pretty darn legitimate concern that we have seen no video footage whatsoever considering how many cameras we know are around there. Any time someone robs a store or something the footage is on the news instantly. Why is the Vegas shooting any different?

Im not saying the Vegas shooting is a conspiracy. But at the very least its weird we havent seen any footage yet. Maybe they will in time. But for now, you can hold off jumping to your own conclusions. You dont any more that dutch does. You are just taking the easy way out too.
 
Red said:
People who develop conspiratorial theories when easy answers are not forthcoming, for instance in the case of determining motive(s) for the Las Vegas mass murderer, are very often people with very weak minds. Very often, the motives they offer as theories will involve pinning blame on their political opponents. This is of course, in the absence of evidence, highly irresponsible. When considering such sources and speculations, it is good to keep in mind that they are almost always full of buffalo biscuits....

Searching for motives in mass killings:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/searching-for-motives-in-mass-shootings
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you do know las vegas hotels and casinos are among the most heavily surveiled places in the US of A!

but yeah! lets jsut blame the gun and let this case die and just become a statistic
 
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