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Locked On Jazz 10/16/17 Hood RFA Notes

framer said:
If Hood is getting a 20 million a year offer from other teams, the Jazz are in a VERY good place going forward. You are only counting the RFAs. There are quite a number of UFA's as well, with only 5 or 6 teams with money, and ALL of those teams with the exception of Dallas and Indy have young talent in the hopper that will need to be paid.
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Teams? It only takes one team.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I agree pretty much... there is a limited market and the risk for us is not too crazy.

In other news I see Gordon, smart, and Parker aren't getting extensions... Say we think DM is the 2-guard we want now and in the future... any reasonable trade there with Orlando with Gordon and Hood being the main principles? I think he'd be great as a four in our system.
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Defense would be absolutely ridiculous.
 
Catchall said:
If I'm the Bucks, I'd offer Greg Monroe's money to Hood. He'd look great between Giannis and Middleton. But then again, if I'm the Bucks I'd also offer Greg Monroe's money to Derrick Favors.
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They can't though... they are capped the eff out.
 
Catchall said:
Monroe expires at the end of the season. Jabari will be an RFA.
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They will still be over the cap so "giving Monroe's money to Hood" is not possible. They will need to dump salary this year and are likely looking at LT next year.
 
Jabari is going to be an interesting case in RFA. Id like the Jazz to have a dip... Maybe 3+1 team option $80Mil???

Even if Bucks were to match, that would put them out of the market for Hood.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Would anyone do Exum for Aaron Gordon?

Would the Magic?
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Orlando would ask how many unprotected first round picks we are adding to the trade... then hang up when we answer.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I agree pretty much... there is a limited market and the risk for us is not too crazy.

In other news I see Gordon, smart, and Parker aren't getting extensions... Say we think DM is the 2-guard we want now and in the future... any reasonable trade there with Orlando with Gordon and Hood being the main principles? I think he'd be great as a four in our system.
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I have always really like Gordon (more than most I reckon) but I'm still a fan and a believer of hood.

That's a tough one. I probably would pull the trigger on it though.
 
Stoked said:
On Locked On Jazz today he starts off talking about why Hood will be a RFA. If he is explaining it than I would rarely extend someone.

Basically due to cap holds and what not the Jazz lose extra room by re-signing Hood now. Depending on what Hood signs for the Jazz could lose 10 mill + in cap room. His new contract + his current cap hold. By waiting they don't lose that room and can sign a 10-18 mil a year guy and Hood. it's strictly numbers and nothing to do with the Jazz or Hood not wanting him to stay a Jazzman.

Any independent confirmation of this? Is that really they way it is? If so it makes re-signing a RFA before the offseason idiotic.
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There are dozens of variables/angles every year. Next year there isn't going to be a lot of money around the league to be spent on FAs, so it's a good year to gamble on getting your guy cheap if he's asking for too much in an extension.

But every year is different. Some years/situations it absolutely makes sense to extend. If Utah had re-signed Haywood, then Locke would have just had to find some other way to spin it.
 
stitches said:
This is not the reason. Locke is playing company shill on this one. The Jazz will operate over the cap almost guaranteed. Or even if not over the cap we will be very close to the cap, which makes extending or not extending Hood irrelevant to our free agency unless we like... waive everybody...
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Not necessarily true. But it largely depends on what the Jazz decide to do with Exum and Favors.

Locke gets his numbers by assuming a roster of Gobert, Ingles, Rubio, Mitchell, Burks, Bradley, next year's first, Hood at a cap hold of $7M, and minimum roster holds. That totals ~$80M. Jazz would have to renounce rights to Favors, Exum and JJ and decline options for Jerebko, Sefelosha and Udoh to get to that amount. That's really not "waiving everybody." Jazz still have 8 players under that scenario. They'd be offloading mostly end-of-bench talent to add another very good starter. Or maybe they trade Burks and keep a few others. Exum's cap hold is around $15M so can they sign him for less? In that scenario, the choice would be between Exum and Burks (if they could find a trade partner).

So, yes, Jazz could sign a player for around $20M and then give Hood his raise.

I think that's part of the reason. But the main factor is health and inexperience. How do you value Hood? His camp obviously thinks he's worth $20M (or more). The Jazz see a player who can't stay healthy and has never been a #1 or #2 option but wants to be paid as one. I don't blame Utah for saying "prove it." Besides, if Mitchell explodes, maybe Hood isn't even re-signed. Insert Donovan into the starting SG slot and look for a bigger SF via free agency or trade. Or maybe the target is a PF and Utah continues to go with Ingles and other options at SF.
 
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Jack Strop said:
Not necessarily true. But it largely depends on what the Jazz decide to do with Exum and Favors.

Locke gets his numbers by assuming a roster of Gobert, Ingles, Rubio, Mitchell, Burks, Bradley, next year's first, Hood at a cap hold of $7M, and minimum roster holds. That totals ~$80M. Jazz would have to renounce rights to Favors, Exum and JJ and decline options for Jerebko, Sefelosha and Udoh to get to that amount. That's really not "waiving everybody." Jazz still have 8 players under that scenario. They'd be offloading mostly end-of-bench talent to add another very good starter. Or maybe they trade Burks and keep a few others. Exum's cap hold is around $15M so can they sign him for less? In that scenario, the choice would be between Exum and Burks (if they could find a trade partner).

So, yes, Jazz could sign a player for around $20M and then give Hood his raise.

I think that's part of the reason. But the main factor is health and inexperience. How do you value Hood? His camp obviously thinks he's worth $20M (or more). The Jazz see a player who can't stay healthy and has never been a #1 or #2 option but wants to be paid as one. I don't blame Utah for saying "prove it." Besides, if Mitchell explodes, maybe Hood isn't even re-signed. Insert Donovan into the starting SG slot and look for a bigger SF via free agency or trade. Or maybe the target is a PF and Utah continues to go with Ingles and other options at SF.
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That's ... literally(yes, literally) waiving everybody you can waive without their salary staying on the books. You waive/renounce 8 players.
 
stitches said:
That's ... literally(yes, literally) waiving everybody you can waive without their salary staying on the books. You waive/renounce 8 players.
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If we move on from Burks it makes it more feasible if we could get Dante to extend first at like 7-8M. Could keep one of Udoh, Thabo, or Jerebko.

I still think they are burying the lead here... if I was splitting up the extension "blame pie" I'd say it's 75% health, 15% inconsistency and 10% cap flexibility. I think its the right thing to do for everyone involved is to say it is nothing on Hood it is just cap gymnastics. So I will buy the company line but know in my head we are very unlikely to try and get a big free agent.
 
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