Longest Thread Ever

[babe]

Why would you take this out of the assumption of Will being a discriminator of the living and non living? Because when you materialize consciousness and will, you open the path to acknowledge rocks as beings that just might have their own kind of consciousness. Are you suggesting that this is impossible because rocks do not choose to resist to the outer facts and alter their choices like us living do? Wait until the next geological master plan of the Earth.



Don't you think that the laughable Agenda 21's foresights can act faster than humanity's technology advancement acceleration? Has this become a race between the Earth and technology about who will get knocked out first?




What makes you think so? Maybe we have caretakers of our own and we are the ones that are propagated from somewhere else. What makes you think we are the originals with so much uncertainty on the table.

Vernadsky attributed characteristics of "Life" to rocks and roots, and theorized a universal "Life-Force", which he worked into the Marxist theories of economics and social progress in s similar deterministic fashion. "The Force" is there, therefore, the final victory is assured, that sort of thing. . . . that's why Evolution happens, and so forth.

If you consider the implications of "Will" or "Consciousness" or "Choice" being involved, a certain fixed result may or may not be the result. We could choose to Abort the planet/universe/whatever in that case. Or we could choose to have a world/universe with competitive decision-making rather than central planning.

I don't attribute all things to the same level of choice. I can decide to throw a rock, but a rock can't decide to throw me.

The problem I see with ideas like Agenda 21 and other more or less central or universal plans is that they lose the advantages of competitive choices which allow people to see what works best for their particular ideas of "good". We lose diversity and therefore distributed risks in facing unforeseen challenges.

Any religious person more or less believes in some kind of "Caretaker", but a more "modern" version of religion, like LDS Mormonism, can place mankind in a solid position of stewardship rather than merely a fatalistic world view. Mormons are, imo, great models of the New World Order with a culture that vests tremendous authority in leadership, and places great stress on compliance. Nothwithstanding old doctrinal themes like "agency" and freedom of choice.

If you believe as Jesus taught, which imo places the personal human conscience in the highest aspect, personal responsibility and individual decisions are the things that make us "like God" in most respects, and establishes the individual as the seat of authority on most choices.

Siro might maintain that machines or AI can be made to make autonomous decisions as well, but given the human choice to cross that threshold and construct AI devices, we are still the primary decision makers, however we may choose to distribute that power.

Anyway, I am toying with the idea that intelligence/choice/ will is what discriminates the living from the non-living or establishes a meaningful gradient on the scales of "Life" which can be used to argue that, say, humans are more intelligent than cows.

 

[babe]

Aside from developments arising from corporate issues like "shareholder value", which drive corporations towards irresponsible actions to achieve short-term profits, I think the use of technology with appropriate concerns for consequences and provisions for preserving the basic health of our planet can be an overall plus for "Life" both in quantitative and qualitative aspects, and across the expanse of future time.

So, no. We don't need to degrade our planet to achieve another goal. The problem with Agenda 21, imo, in regard to this aspect, is that it limits possible choices and issues a barrier to progress that we could otherwise imagine and construct, and apply locally on a trial basis. Which means we freeze our future.

 

[addictionary]

Competitiveness brings the leverage to the one with more power which in this case is the corporations that care about small term profits. I always believed that the world survives on the good people's shoulders so I should never stop trying to do the good thing even if I see only bad motivations around me. Just like this, environmentalism and NGO's ar the common sense and conscience of the humanity's social existence and it balances the **** to break lose if it was a matter of who would be more dominant in decision making competition.

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[babe]

Competitiveness brings the leverage to the one with more power which in this case is the corporations that care about small term profits. I always believed that the world survives on the good people's shoulders so I should never stop trying to do the good thing even if I see only bad motivations around me. Just like this, environmentalism and NGO's ar the common sense and conscience of the humanity's social existence and it balances the **** to break lose if it was a matter of who would be more dominant in decision making competition.

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The problem with fascism, apart from the historical inhumanities, like the current fascist United States' corporate prison establishment that gives prison operators immense profits from government budgets while degrading the human inmates to sub-slave living conditions, is just that oligarchs don't make good decisions. Oligarchs, or people with "connections" define the basic mechanism of fascism. It's who you know, and the quid pro-quo of the "deal", that tips the scales in every decision.

Hillary Clinton. ... Bill Clinton. . . destroyed the democratic party already, the same way Trump is destroying the Republican Party in the US today. It's a fact that the Clintons, Trump, and the Bush league are all "players" for the oligarchs, and that Obama is their servile boot-licker. And that our media, and our "Hollywood" elites are all in the bag together.

What used to be good about America is now lost, a fiction of a largely imaginary past. Equal Protection under the laws meant oligarchs had to live by the same laws the rest of us do. That is gone now. Hillary, Obama, Trump, and the Bushes are above the reach of the law, enjoying the perks of "the arrogance of power" where they can openly defy the law, with no consequences. As long as they serve the relevant oligarchs well, they are untouchable.

I might have to admit that one good thing is coming out of the AGW/Climate Change politics. . .. innovation in solar power technology. It is rumored that the Rockefeller investment portfolio has been selling off oil interests and buying into solar technology. A lot of major corporations are getting on this boat. Some new solar chip innovations promise to make solar the outright winner in the competition for energy market share.stuff like high production efficiencies, the use of an aluminum/magnesium conductor replacing silver, broad-spectrum energy conversion, and improved battery designs are all coming together, with a huge subsidy from the government. . . .to create a knock-out punch against even natural gas generators. . . .even nuclear generators. . . .

In this case, the oligarchs got it right.

But the American way is equal protection under the laws, and equal opportunity for all. In this case, if you want to be equal, you need to invest wisely, maybe buying some shares along with the Rockefellers.

 

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My favorite stars!

 

[addictionary]

The problem with fascism, apart from the historical inhumanities, like the current fascist United States' corporate prison establishment that gives prison operators immense profits from government budgets while degrading the human inmates to sub-slave living conditions, is just that oligarchs don't make good decisions. Oligarchs, or people with "connections" define the basic mechanism of fascism. It's who you know, and the quid pro-quo of the "deal", that tips the scales in every decision.

Hillary Clinton. ... Bill Clinton. . . destroyed the democratic party already, the same way Trump is destroying the Republican Party in the US today. It's a fact that the Clintons, Trump, and the Bush league are all "players" for the oligarchs, and that Obama is their servile boot-licker. And that our media, and our "Hollywood" elites are all in the bag together.

What used to be good about America is now lost, a fiction of a largely imaginary past. Equal Protection under the laws meant oligarchs had to live by the same laws the rest of us do. That is gone now. Hillary, Obama, Trump, and the Bushes are above the reach of the law, enjoying the perks of "the arrogance of power" where they can openly defy the law, with no consequences. As long as they serve the relevant oligarchs well, they are untouchable.

I might have to admit that one good thing is coming out of the AGW/Climate Change politics. . .. innovation in solar power technology. It is rumored that the Rockefeller investment portfolio has been selling off oil interests and buying into solar technology. A lot of major corporations are getting on this boat. Some new solar chip innovations promise to make solar the outright winner in the competition for energy market share.stuff like high production efficiencies, the use of an aluminum/magnesium conductor replacing silver, broad-spectrum energy conversion, and improved battery designs are all coming together, with a huge subsidy from the government. . . .to create a knock-out punch against even natural gas generators. . . .even nuclear generators. . . .

In this case, the oligarchs got it right.

But the American way is equal protection under the laws, and equal opportunity for all. In this case, if you want to be equal, you need to invest wisely, maybe buying some shares along with the Rockefellers.

I think it was always like that. The one that held the power always stayed above the law. I think it's us who change instead of the conditions. Our way of understanding changes. We used to believe in the laws, equality and freedom. Now we can clearly see that they are just a hunk of crap. Or maybe this is just a subconscious aging ego trick of our brain on us that results in us seeing everything pessimistically. We did not like how we lived our lives and everything seems like going down for us. Maybe things are just changing in the way they are supposed to be and we cannot keep up with that.

Who holds the power is another issue. We have studied some Charles Wright Mills in sociology department and his description of American power elites were pretty clear about one thing. It never stays put.

 

[babe]

I think it was always like that. The one that held the power always stayed above the law. I think it's us who change instead of the conditions. Our way of understanding changes. We used to believe in the laws, equality and freedom. Now we can clearly see that they are just a hunk of crap. Or maybe this is just a subconscious aging ego trick of our brain on us that results in us seeing everything pessimistically. We did not like how we lived our lives and everything seems like going down for us. Maybe things are just changing in the way they are supposed to be and we cannot keep up with that.

Who holds the power is another issue. We have studied some Charles Wright Mills in sociology department and his description of American power elites were pretty clear about one thing. It never stays put.

Entropy.

Look at it this way. Some body with all the marbles today. Come back in fifty years and see who has the marbles.

My issue is not who has the marbles, but who can play the game.

 

[babe]

The American Revolution was all about who can play the game.

The most basic of human rights.

 

[babe]

The Trump Card

So some dudes like to hiss nonsense to end arguments, irrefutable nonsense. . . try reasoning with it, and you're the fool.

 

[addictionary]

So some dudes like to hiss nonsense to end arguments, irrefutable nonsense. . . try reasoning with it, and you're the fool.

REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM.

Trump card has been played before our eyes and it turned out terribly wrong. I pray to God for you Americans to stay away from this ignorant type of nihilist power magnet's fake attraction because it will end your social order.

This power sucking bigotry structure will feed you with the satisfaction of hatred amongst what you have grown tired of, and turn it into an enemy to keep you close to itself so that any time the one's holding the power fail, they will use these fault lines these conflict lines to keep you at their side with distractions that keep your focus away from their fails and exploitation.

 

[babe]

Utah Republican Primaries

OK, so I went.

In our neighborhood, we had 25 people show up. 3 went home after voting for President. the vote was 19-5-1 Criz-Trump-Kasich. Some went home after that. Three of them took pics on their phones of the tally, obviously they were democrats, and they came to vote for Trump, and intended to make some kind of claim about how the Utah Machine was rigging the election.

today I heard it on a national radio program. George Soros and the New World Order fascists had rigged the Utah primary. Such and such a company, run by a Soros liewtenant, had stolen the Utah voter's voice and thrown it to Cruz. The lady claimed the real vote was very close, with Trump getting a small majority. But with Mitt, Huntsman, and Hatch throwing in behind Soros' count, it was all falsified to give Cruz all the delegates.

yah yah yah.

There was no computer used. The votes were tallied by precinct, reported to the district, and called in to the headquarters. My daughters counted our votes.

 

[babe]

I ran for our state convention delegate. the vote was 7-6-1 with me at 6. The rules required 50% plus one for a winner, so we eliminated the 1 candidate, and voted again. Paper ballots, pens passed out, again. It was 7-7. So we flipped a nickel. The other candidate called the toss, and won. Oh, the stress. lol. The delegate is gonna hold Mia Love's feet to the fire for voting for house speaker what's his name. . . Mia's gonna hear about it. personally. Well, I woulda just got up for another representative. Mia's too dumb to be helped.

Actually. . . was about 50-50 to just vote to the outspoken other candidate. But I thought there oughta be some reason for 25 people to show up at a caucus, and why not just do one actual contested vote:?