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So here's a little life story I've been musing about quite a bit lately, on account of someone who's sitting in jail for being an idiot. I know, I know. . . . our legal system has not saved us as a society from all the idiots, and maybe has even been taken over by that tribe. . . .

You don't go to jail for being an idiot. It's for not being the right kind of idiot.

well, maybe "idiot" is a harsh term.

Here's the story, as only I would tell it. No one else would see it this way, for sure.

The "man" was, after a lot of history, a person of immense self-esteem, some very credible marketable skills, making big bucks in his trade. Loved those big trucks, ya know. When you ride around in those, some girls look. I don't know what's going on with Dr. Jones, but I'd skip the monster truck and tell my investors I'm the kind of developer who doesn't waste time and money on cheesy trucks. After seeing what a truck did to my friend, that is. . . .

So a gal set her sights on him, and made her plan. Not so bad looking, and a nice church girl to boot. She made sure he saw her everywhere he went. Oh, yah, she was a mess. She'd been injured falling in WalMart, and WalMart settled by agreeing to pay all her medical expenses for life, whether related to the fall or not. She'd been raped at BYU, and had gone through two hubbies each one an abuser, and all. But she was a good girl.

And, oh, Yah. He had more self-esteem than his truck could haul. Did I mention that? So he got reeled in with lots of neediness, lots of praise, and a bunch of kids who desperately wanted a good dad.

The woman was known, let's say it delicately, as a hypochondriac or a drama queen at the local hospital. Not known especially for anything better than the daytime soaps, and some folks tried to talk the Big Man outta marrying her, to no avail, because of course, this overdone self-esteem syndrome makes people impervious to advice. And when the advisers have the disease, too, no way is it going to be followed.

Good marriage. Lasted about five years, produced two additional children. But as one adopted daughter moved into teenhood, Mama wasn't happy with the BigMan's advice, and began a covert, at first, rebellion. No way would her daughter hafta skimp on makeup. No way.

So, the mistake BigMan made was leaning into and encouraging a sort of mentality centered on his self-esteem. His manner of raising kids was to draw them in, praise them, and direct them overmuch. So Mama's rebellion was like the irrestitible force hitting the immovable object.

Not to mention the fact that the kids had been through all this before with disposable dads, and the real manipulator of everything had always really been Mama. But BigMan thought he could argue and prevail, boss and win, and threatened divorce if not obeyed. Huge mistake.

Mama panicked. Pulled out all the stops, made every necessary allegation, and called the cops. Oh, and did I say it was a well-planned move? For weeks she had with her kids' help, set a trap. Set him up? Well, who knows. One should wonder in a case like this, which is a replay of another earlier divorce proceeding, sans some of the mistakes she made before.

When I talk to the BigMan, he seems to pin his hopes on his adopted son switching sides and recanting allegations. So what is a boy, if he has lived a life being the manipulatible object of an adult, living to please and be praised by someone. Won't his whole life be a series of life stages where thing learned is, most of all, not to look inside, and comply. . . . and not to question one's own self, not to challenge authority, not to be truthful, not to have self-sufficient esteem. . . .. always needy, always looking for who should be pleased first, who he should obey first.

So BigMan and BigMama made a train wreck of a boy.

Somehow, I don't think this is what Jesus would do. So, bros. Sorry, no discipleships offered in this course. The whole course is to address the Universe with your own mind, and please share what you see or think. Best presented with some reason, and I hope with some human decency as well.

Egg!!!!!!!
 
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I love how ONE LOBE is swinging through here and 'liking' almost every single post except for mine. I feel bad for the rest of you that you can't say the same thing.

@salt13: I've found some reading material. I'll leave them here has open tabs on my browser and hope it doesn't crash before I get to it. I see that the allegory of the cave is a Plato thing, but I'm trying to to cringe before I read.

Have you really never read The Republic? It seems like something you would have read.

Also I don't get quote notifications. I think it has to do with having the note in my username(worth it) so the likes help remind my forgetful *** what I was doing. Keep up the good work Kink.
 
I read "The Republic" when I was about 16, but I thought it was Aristotle who did that whole cave and candle show.

Socrates(pretty sure), but all we really have of Socrates' philosophy is what Plato 'recorded' of it. So naturally Socrates' philosophy lines up quite nicely with Plato's.

I also read it when I was 16. My English teacher took it upon himself to teach philosophy/classics instead of grammar. Good teacher, imo. I also read Dante's Inferno in his class.
 
Have you really never read The Republic? It seems like something you would have read.

Also I don't get quote notifications. I think it has to do with having the note in my username(worth it) so the likes help remind my forgetful *** what I was doing. Keep up the good work Kink.

I read it a long time ago. It's sitting right here on my shelf. But you could synopsize the greater part of my intellectual development as occurring along those paths which lead furthest from Plato.
 
I read "The Republic" when I was about 16, but I thought it was Aristotle who did that whole cave and candle show.

Well, I guess it was Plato, according to the webz sources. Some interesting stuff. Plato with the light show reality made up for the slaves, with an elite set of real policy makers and a "Guardian" class of brutes to effect policy, and a sham "democracy" that would let the little people feel involved, though not really. hmmmm. . . .

Aristotle wanted real participation from people and objected to the arbitrary hereditary class system. . . . hmmmm. . . . .
 
Well, I guess it was Plato, according to the webz sources. Some interesting stuff. Plato with the light show reality made up for the slaves, with an elite set of real policy makers and a "Guardian" class of brutes to effect policy, and a sham "democracy" that would let the little people feel involved, though not really. hmmmm. . . .

Aristotle wanted real participation from people and objected to the arbitrary hereditary class system. . . . hmmmm. . . . .

Oh yeah. Plato advocated for a very regimented society that would be ran by philosopher kings, but they weren't to be advantaged tyrants. IIRC they were to have no possessions and live in the baracks w/the guardians. It's very 1984.
 
I read it a long time ago. It's sitting right here on my shelf. But you could synopsize the greater part of my intellectual development as occurring along those paths which lead furthest from Plato.

I wouldn't think you leaned toward Plato, but I would be surprised if you hadn't read it.
 
I wouldn't think you leaned toward Plato, but I would be surprised if you hadn't read it.

I am amazed that anybody really buys into the idea of a government-mediated or managed "utopia".

yeah, we need roads, that's why the Post Office was included in the plan. Ever been lost in the woods east of the Mississippi? Canals were a good idea, too. Same with dredging some inland waterways or ports, and keeping the navigable rivers open for commerce. But our present govt. is anxious to sell of these assets to private corps, just because the politicians who would facilitate our being robbed collectively are getting fat manila envelopes dropped on the doorsteps in the middle of the night.

The more power you give the govt. the more those thieves can steal from the people.
 
the government should stay the **** out of our lives.

The one nice thing about Karl Marx was his futile hope that governments would, in the end, wither away somehow. What an insane fantasy.

The reason "government" will never stay outta our lives is because, to be something that identifies with "government", it has to get noticed somehow by disrupting personal lives. Governments, by definition, are the institutions that enable a few people to interfere with what the rest of us want to do.

So, anyway, just to be realistic, the best we can do is limit what a government can do, by defining and making popular actual human rights.
 
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