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OK, that got us to the page on Vernadsky. He was just enough of socialist, combined with his scientific credentials, to survive in Russia, he embraced and extended the ideas of evolutionary science to combine it with a progressive continuum of changes in the universe favorable to the development of life. A lot of scientists get bogged down in the ruthless obsession of burying religion as some kind of essential accomplishment for mankind, but Vernadsky ignores it and speaks directly to the processes of nature which have been necessary for the existence of life, incorporating it all into a sort of "law" of science that invokes "life" as a property of all existence, and gives it a direction. . . . developmental inertia that transcends political ideology.

a few modern "progressives" are aware of his views and incorporate them into their own, but they are a class distinct from the hammerhead fascists who want to clear away every impediment to cartel rule.
 
Thanks for the info about Vernadsky. This man's work is on a really important question in my life. I'm not scientifically qualified to go into deeper I guess, but I've always wondered the possibility of the so-called non-living world's beings actually having souls/spirituality/energy forms (this thing obviously has many names and basically tries to address the being beyond material existence of everything). Also on the intelligence level of beings. I don't assume we have strong understanding of how "intelligence" and "life" works and in how many various forms they can exist. I sometimes think of simple animals being much more intelligent than we are. One can fantasize about a mind or intellect developing so far that it becomes the rock or maybe the rock itself had already had its consciousness, witnessing much more than what we've had and saving a collective memory with the rest of the world or universe that we no way now can handle to fit in our conscience.
 
In the Bible, when Jesus was going into Jerusalem to his crucifixion, some folks tried to show honor to him. Some others thought this wasn't appropriate. To the latter, Jesus said that if the praisers should shut their mouths, the very stones would cry out.

I am not inclined to think the rocks are an accretion of intelligence far above that of humans, I wouldn't even know how to rank such disparate things. I just believe consciousness is inherent in existence and , somehow, and I'm sure the subject is as complex as physical chemistry or maybe even inorganic chemistry and biological chemistry. I think it is a starkly obvious fact that life and death is a fact that is not just respiration or brainwaves, but of presence or absence of some completely different existent thing. . . in the case of a human body, the human spirit. I find some accounts of near-death or coming back from the dead. . . like Lazurus in the Bible, compelling in their telling. . . . Obviously, in this case there is something transcendental in the human being. A "dead body" might have one level of "consciousness", but a living human is orders of magnitude beyond that.
 
This might also mean that the humans might have two consciousness'es of which one is dominating the other -the spiritual body controlling the chemical body- and if you have seen someone you love dead, you would know that what you see only feels like a dreg left back by the actual thing. Lifeless, meaningless, no where near the sight of whom you knew, you loved. But even though her chemical body stops functioning as a structure, it's still existing and when it goes to become one with the soil, it becomes many more lives with relative levels of consciousness. Then what happens to the soul/spirituality/energy form that left the body host? Even though I'll learn today or tomorrow, it is still a desire to know.
 
My personal near death experiences make me inclined to think that something continues after this life, beyond a separation and then winking out of existence. I saw things I could not possibly have known about, and described them in some detail. I have experienced this twice in my life, both times I saw something I could not explain, yet it had happened as I described it later. One of those things was very bad and one was good. I have no idea why I saw what I did, but it sticks with me, and beyond some kind of existence after this life I cannot explain how it happened. And I definitely do not understand why it did. I hope I get an answer to this one day, but it is doubtful I will be able to come back here and post about it when/if I do. :)
 
LogGrad98 said:
My personal near death experiences make me inclined to think that something continues after this life, beyond a separation and then winking out of existence. I saw things I could not possibly have known about, and described them in some detail. I have experienced this twice in my life, both times I saw something I could not explain, yet it had happened as I described it later. One of those things was very bad and one was good. I have no idea why I saw what I did, but it sticks with me, and beyond some kind of existence after this life I cannot explain how it happened. And I definitely do not understand why it did. I hope I get an answer to this one day, but it is doubtful I will be able to come back here and post about it when/if I do. :)
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Cool. So are you religious? Spiritual? Any religion in particular that could explain what you went through?
 
What your thoughts on Halloween? On any other day would you let your child take food from random strangers? Also why celebrate death and not life...

I think of just an excuse to wear costumes, for little kiddies and hot chicks so I digg it.
 
The Blue Elephant said:
What your thoughts on Halloween? On any other day would you let your child take food from random strangers? Also why celebrate death and not life...

I think of just an excuse to wear costumes, for little kiddies and hot chicks so I digg it.
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Even though I have never celebrated it, I can tell that it is also a way of facing death as a concept and as the unescapable reality. Parodizing an issue that is usually taken with extreme sadness is healthy imo. And I have always liked the idea of being in a society that parodizes death and supernatural concepts like living in a fest. But might feel stupid to people who take it as a routine with boring traditions.
 
addictionary said:
This might also mean that the humans might have two consciousness'es of which one is dominating the other -the spiritual body controlling the chemical body- and if you have seen someone you love dead, you would know that what you see only feels like a dreg left back by the actual thing. Lifeless, meaningless, no where near the sight of whom you knew, you loved. But even though her chemical body stops functioning as a structure, it's still existing and when it goes to become one with the soil, it becomes many more lives with relative levels of consciousness. Then what happens to the soul/spirituality/energy form that left the body host? Even though I'll learn today or tomorrow, it is still a desire to know.
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Like there are different kinds of material existence. . . . compounds and elements. . . . elements and subatomic particles that form them. . . .

Christian belief generally supposes a "resurrection" to be the spirit combining back into a physical possession of the physical identity which the person had in "mortality" but thenceforth not in a "mortal" framework, but immortal.

One can wonder about where all the carbon will come from when everything is "resurrected", or how a body that decomposed in the ocean could be re-gathered. . . . morbid and useless specuations I suppose, but for anyone who would like to know the specifics someday, you have to ask and think. . . .
 
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