WRONG!
Do go on. Show me I'm wrong. Tell me how you were victimized by racism. LogGrad98 and franklin had stories about brief encounters. What's yours?
WRONG!
Do you think sirkickyass was attacking him on pages 1 through 3 (notice I wasn't even here until page 4). Did that make his argument more persuasive to RobDMB? Not that I could tell, certainly.
You can keep tone-trolling, but it will make no difference. I'm not going to hide my anger.
I'm sure he likes jazz
It is a point that Kicky does not have enough information to adequately defend in my opinion. It singles out 1 single kind of music from another culture. Perhaps Rob would feel that Bushi, Ranchero and Apala is music...
I don't like rap music particularly, but I certainly know it's music, that it takes a lot of musical knowledge and talent, and I would never use the scare quotes. You're being deliberately obtuse.
Do go on. Show me I'm wrong. Tell me how you were victimized by racism. LogGrad98 and franklin had stories about brief encounters. What's yours?
I think your outrage at the use of quotes around the word music is a bit misplaced, that's all. The entire context of his statement is what is questionable, and arguing the use of quotes around a particular word seems diversionary to the discussion.
Stoked, what was the last musical genre you felt was so unmusical you needed to call it "music" instead of music?
But just becasue he doesn't does not automatically make him a racist. You simply want him to be.
He's a human, so of course he's a racist, just like me or any other human. I have not singled him out on that score.
I agree that the single issue of not liking one particular style of music is not definitive. However, that's not the only indication that RobDMB has accepted some very racist lines of thought.
And as such you will continue to make little to no progress. It's constructive criticism.
Beyond being aware of past tunes, I would argue that rap doesn't require much musical knowledge.
Beyond being aware of past tunes, I would argue that rap doesn't require much musical knowledge.
That is not saying that rappers can't be musically intelligent
Perhaps I'll make no progress with you (although I detect small signs that progress has happened over the years). However, you are not the universal archetype. With some people, you never make progress until you get angry.
First of all you, personally, can keep your respect as none of it is returned. Second of all at no point was the assertion made that whites suffer the same level of racism, especially in America, that blacks do. Not by me anyways.
But as already stated, by several posters now. One Brow simply wants to act like that since one is worse than the other that the lesser one doesn't matter. Foolish. All racism matters. The degree it matters should of course reflect the severity and depth of the racism in question.
How about being physically assaulted because I am white? Would that qualify as racism?
Oh no, that's right. You've already explicitly stated that racism can only go one way.
But I am sure you will try to pretend I am equating my victimization at the hands of racism to me making some claim that what I suffered is the same as what a black American (or simply anyone else) must suffer.
None. But you jumped on one single nuance to claim that he deemed all music from another culture as no music. A claim you do not have sufficeint evidence to support.
I'm sure he likes jazz
How about being physically assaulted because I am white? Would that qualify as racism?
Oh no, that's right. You've already explicitly stated that racism can only go one way.
But I am sure you will try to pretend I am equating my victimization at the hands of racism to me making some claim that what I suffered is the same as what a black American (or simply anyone else) must suffer.
He might have some.
I simply think that this line of of that that his quotes on music is evidence of racism is uninformed. That's all.
Also the bolded assertion is not something that I can not reconcile with your claim that racism only goes one way.
It depends. With any music you can write the most basic structures, or follow the same chord progression/blueprint for a song and make it easy. Hip-hop producers like Madlib and J Dilla are extremely talented, but pretty much use sample based music to create beats, but in my eyes it's just as creative and unique.
In general, I just hate people who dismiss entire genres. Chances are you haven't explored the depths/roots/offshoots of that genre and are only commenting on the most generic version that is produced for the masses.