Lose Jefferson

[NUMBERICA]

So now we're blaming Jefferson? At least Al wants to win. How could anyone complain about his defense after having Boozer here? Besides as young as he is, if he puts in work during the offseason he will develop the game that he is lacking. On thing that players cant be taught is DRIVE. You either have it or you dont. And Al Jefferson wants to win. Lets surround him with some winners and see what happens.

But Jefferson is not a winner. He's won the most when playing the least and it's sheerly a coincidence that the Jazz (offense, particularly) fell apart when he came here? All for the bargain of 30-something million dollars?

Also, he's been playing for 8 years already. If you can name me more than 5 players in NBA history to figure the game out after that point, I'll be amazed.

It bears repeating; Al Jefferson is not a winner. That's what evidence tells us. If the '03-'04 Jazz can win 42, Jefferson can have a winning season with a less-than-amazing supporting cast. He's a nice guy that doesn't see or play the game completely and can't play it fluidly when he tries to do the right things.

 

[LogGrad98]

It is kind of funny to say a guy stuck on crappy teams (Wolves, Celts before the trade) is not a winner. Then for more evidence you use the fact that he came here right when the team blew up. Yeah that proves nothing. If you put a crappy supporting cast around a great player you don't get wins, you get one good player among crappy ones. AJ coming here had nothing to do with the team falling apart. That started when the Jazz blew up an otherwise competetive team last summer. AJ came in to plug one of the 5 or 6 holes KOC and the others left in the team, but didn't fill. So now we have a solid center and all-star pg and lost other pieces that made us a competetive team. If we had exactly the same team as last year, but with AJ in place of Bozzer we would be far more competetive. AJ is far better defensively and just as effective offensively. We would have tore it up. But we didn't, so the all-star guard gets grumpy and pouty and bails out, we get a core of rookies, a new coach, and our other vets are injured, so we lose. So that is all AJ's fault somehow? Really?

So you are using the 03-04 team as an example? Really? How is that even remotely like this season. Disrupting a team this drastically in the middle of a season is far worse than simply trying to win games with a team that is together the entire season and maybe just missing a couple pieces. Show me one other team that lost 4 major pieces and their coach in less than a year and was not able to replace them, including losing an all-star for a few scrubs in the middle of the season that did better than we have.

But I see what you mean. All that means nothing. We have AJ so obviously it is all his fault. Because the evidence shows he is not a winner.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

But Jefferson is not a winner. He's won the most when playing the least and it's sheerly a coincidence that the Jazz (offense, particularly) fell apart when he came here? All for the bargain of 30-something million dollars?

Also, he's been playing for 8 years already. If you can name me more than 5 players in NBA history to figure the game out after that point, I'll be amazed.

It bears repeating; Al Jefferson is not a winner. That's what evidence tells us. If the '03-'04 Jazz can win 42, Jefferson can have a winning season with a less-than-amazing supporting cast. He's a nice guy that doesn't see or play the game completely and can't play it fluidly when he tries to do the right things.

Was Shareef Abdur-Rahim a winner? Mitch Richmond?

 

[Deleted member 848]

It is kind of funny to say a guy stuck on crappy teams (Wolves, Celts before the trade) is not a winner. Then for more evidence you use the fact that he came here right when the team blew up. Yeah that proves nothing. If you put a crappy supporting cast around a great player you don't get wins, you get one good player among crappy ones. AJ coming here had nothing to do with the team falling apart. That started when the Jazz blew up an otherwise competetive team last summer. AJ came in to plug one of the 5 or 6 holes KOC and the others left in the team, but didn't fill. So now we have a solid center and all-star pg and lost other pieces that made us a competetive team. If we had exactly the same team as last year, but with AJ in place of Bozzer we would be far more competetive. AJ is far better defensively and just as effective offensively. We would have tore it up. But we didn't, so the all-star guard gets grumpy and pouty and bails out, we get a core of rookies, a new coach, and our other vets are injured, so we lose. So that is all AJ's fault somehow? Really?

So you are using the 03-04 team as an example? Really? How is that even remotely like this season. Disrupting a team this drastically in the middle of a season is far worse than simply trying to win games with a team that is together the entire season and maybe just missing a couple pieces. Show me one other team that lost 4 major pieces and their coach in less than a year and was not able to replace them, including losing an all-star for a few scrubs in the middle of the season that did better than we have.

But I see what you mean. All that means nothing. We have AJ so obviously it is all his fault. Because the evidence shows he is not a winner.

Beauty of a post, would rep if I could.

 

[sepanol]

J.C., what the hell did you just ramble off?

i ment, liability, not reliability, sorry for my english

basically what im trying to say is, jefferson doesnt deserve to get paid twice as much as millsap a year. I barely remember a game this year that he led us win. The fact that he had 22 avg after alll star break, doesnt prove that he is a superstar or something. He has almost 20 ppg 10 rpg and 2 bpg this year, but statistics doesnt prove anythng. I wanna see him putting all those numbers efficiently, grabbing a signifcant rebound, scoring a critical point. He has good block timing but it doesnt prove he is good in defense, indeed he is not.

He may be a good player, and i think he is much better than boozer, but still, he has some flaws that a real superstar shouldnt have. Thats why i dont see the potential in him, to lead a contender team. He is more of a great player in moderate teams imo.

i hope its clear now