Mo on Marvin

[Stifle Tower]

If Corbin is Sloan Jr., then he'll want a veteran presence on the 2nd unit. Of course, there's always Tinsley, but my guess is with Mo heading up the starters, Foye will be that presence for the subs.
Have to admit this is way too hard to predict. For Game 1, I'd go with the big line-up, just to show respect for Favors AND Millsap.

 

[Hitman]

... the Jazz have 7 guys right now that should probably start (Favors, Millsap, Jefferson, Hayward, Mo and Marvin Williams, and Burks).

Burks is not a potential starter - see below.

... I do like the outside shooting of Foye paired with the drive and dish ability of Burks.

What drive-and-dish ability? Last season he would drive into a crowd and shoot regardless, instead of dishing off to the open man. He had a worse assist/minute rate than Al Jefferson. He shot like CJ Miles/Josh Howard (both frequency and success rate), passed worse than our alleged "Black Hole", and had the entitlement issues of Roger Braille. Unless he learns to play well with others and respect his teammates - and I'm hoping it's a maturity thing, 'cos CJ proved you can't fix stupid - he will be a waste of talent.

 

[NAOS]

Burks is not a potential starter - see below.

What drive-and-dish ability? Last season he would drive into a crowd and shoot regardless, instead of dishing off to the open man. He had a worse assist/minute rate than Al Jefferson. He shot like CJ Miles/Josh Howard (both frequency and success rate), passed worse than our alleged "Black Hole", and had the entitlement issues of Roger Braille. Unless he learns to play well with others and respect his teammates - and I'm hoping it's a maturity thing, 'cos CJ proved you can't fix stupid - he will be a waste of talent.

Hi Sunshine, how are you?

I loves it when someone comes in here with gloom and then returns to **** on Anti-Jefferson rhetoric.

 

[NotDeadYet]

Burks is not a potential starter - see below.

What drive-and-dish ability? Last season he would drive into a crowd and shoot regardless, instead of dishing off to the open man. He had a worse assist/minute rate than Al Jefferson. He shot like CJ Miles/Josh Howard (both frequency and success rate), passed worse than our alleged "Black Hole", and had the entitlement issues of Roger Braille. Unless he learns to play well with others and respect his teammates - and I'm hoping it's a maturity thing, 'cos CJ proved you can't fix stupid - he will be a waste of talent.

Yep, he's got a similar mindset to CJ. Difference is he drives looking for fouls instead of jacking up 3's. Still wants to be 'da man'. An improvement over CJ's style for sure, but if he doesn't get better at looking for open teammates, he'll never make it as a PG either...

A ton of Potential at SG; no Kobe-replacements just yet...

I see Foye getting some PG minutes against some of the bigger scoring PGs that Mo will struggle to defend... Likely a better option than Burks, whose PG skills have yet to emerge at all, IMO...

 

[NAOS]

Hey guys,

PM me if you want to know THE TRUTH about Burks' psyche and potential. I've had unfettered access and can tell you all about the comparisons with CJ and other chuckers.





Alex Burks has all the potential to become, for the members of jazzfanz, the most hated jazz player.

 

[billyshelby]

Foye won't start. But I'd bet my butler on Foye being inserted into the starting lineup by December. And I love my butler.

 

[cctrackstar]

I'm beginning to understand why you're called crack star.

Ok, I'd start a poll if I didn't think it would annoy people, but the question is still there;

Who is the better player, Hayward or Marvin?

I understand that we won't know until he plays a lot of games for the Jazz, but just based on what we have now which is better?

https://www.nba.com/playerfile/gordon_hayward/career_stats.html
https://www.nba.com/playerfile/marvin_williams/career_stats.html

 

[Stifle Tower]

Ok, I'd start a poll if I didn't think it would annoy people, but the question is still there;

Who is the better player, Hayward or Marvin?

I understand that we won't know until he plays a lot of games for the Jazz, but just based on what we have now which is better?

https://www.nba.com/playerfile/gordon_hayward/career_stats.html
https://www.nba.com/playerfile/marvin_williams/career_stats.html

I'd probably say Marvin...right now. After 7 years, he's settled into a decent, if not spectacular player. Hayward has been up and down. He's had great second halves in both years, but terrible starts. You would expect Gordon still has some upside. Marvin is probably close to the player he'll always be. Perhaps more production if you give him more opportunities. Maybe even a little bit more effort if he's re-energized by his new surroundings. He's at least shown he can be a solid defender and a decent shooter. Not a star, but Marvin could be a very good SF for us.

On the other hand, you can see the raw skills Hayward possesses. If he can ever harness his game, find a consistent shot and play more under control, Gordon CAN be an all-star. Let's hope that starts to happen this season.

 

[billyshelby]

Hayward's better, but I'm basing that on potential and the fact I haven't seen enough of Marvin. The irony though is the complaints of Hawks fans about Marvin are pretty similar to the complaints of Hayward -- talented, but passive, and woefully inconsistent. The only difference is Hawks fans jokes about Marvin's klutziness. They called him "duck butt" because he's always on the floor after falling down for no clear reason. And since his numbers over many, many minutes don't reflect what you'd expect of such a high draft pick, I'm curious to find out what they know (or don't).

 

[Stifle Tower]

Hayward's better, but I'm basing that on potential and the fact I haven't seen enough of Marvin. The irony though is the complaints of Hawks fans about Marvin are pretty similar to the complaints of Hayward -- talented, but passive, and woefully inconsistent. The only difference is Hawks fans jokes about Marvin's klutziness. They called him "duck butt" because he's always on the floor after falling down for no clear reason. And since his numbers over many, many minutes don't reflect what you'd expect of such a high draft pick, I'm curious to find out what they know (or don't).

I know we all have biased opinions because of his draft position. We compare him to other guys who were Top-5.
If we could set that aside and just look at it from what we gave up (Harris) to set his relative value...I wonder how much our opinions would change.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I know we all have biased opinions because of his draft position. We compare him to other guys who were Top-5.
If we could set that aside and just look at it from what we gave up (Harris) to set his relative value...I wonder how much our opinions would change.

Too rational. Find a new board.

 

[billyshelby]

I know we all have biased opinions because of his draft position. We compare him to other guys who were Top-5.
If we could set that aside and just look at it from what we gave up (Harris) to set his relative value...I wonder how much our opinions would change.

The optimism about Marvin is directly related to his draft position. I'm not saying anything that isn't true. Any time you get a guy who was drafted 2, and is only 25, you start talking yourself into why he's going to suddenly blossom. Maybe he will, most likely he won't. And Hawks fans, who watched him play 30 minutes a night for 7 years, have pretty strong opinions of his game.

As far as the trade, you make it sound like a steal. The reality is Mo Will is not much of an upgrade from Devin (if he is at all), and we're on the hook for Marvin for 2 years at a dollar figure that presently exceeds his value. I hope Marvin flourishes here and it works out. But it could just as easily go the other way where we're 'stuck' with Marvin and we would have been better off carrying Harris.