Both, to a degree. Everyone is part of the culture, but those who receive more status in the culture have more of an ability to create change.
More death threats -- Woman take video of her walk through New York
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Both, to a degree. Everyone is part of the culture, but those who receive more status in the culture have more of an ability to create change.
That was not my intention. Would you be so kind as to edit it, perhaps to "More death threats -- The response to a woman's video of her walk through New York"?
are the death threats really the issue?
If that's how you want it changed, I'll do it. But I think it "conflates" the issue.
(to use a favorite term around here...)
Anyhow, I think there are a number of issues going on with the video, and with the discussion we've been having in this thread.
Are cat-calls annoying?
Yes, probably most of the time.
Are they harassment?
I question that, but in part I guess it depends a bit how a person defines harassment. As well as the exact nature of the cat-call. But I suppose they are, in that to my way of looking at it, a true "cat-call" often is intended to be a bit intimidating to the woman. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think most of the guys who do it, know that it annoys women. But maybe guys really are that stupid. Or maybe women are....
Are they threatening?
For the most part, I would say NO.
Does a simple "Hi there" "Good morning" "Looking good" etc. constitute a cat-call?
It's rather subjective, but for the most part I would say no, it's not the same thing as what I consider a cat-call.
Is it necessary to establish eye-contact or some other form of acknowledgement before a man greets a woman?
NO. It helps, but it is not necessary to my way of thinking. This also would apply to encounters between two women, two men, or a woman extending a greeting to a man.
(and, I think more often than not, eye contact, even if very fleeting, does occur almost anytime two people encounter one another. I know for myself, the natural inclination is to look at a person as I pass them - - it takes effort not to)
Should people try to be considerate of how their interactions may be viewed by the other person, and may not be welcome?
Yes.
The discussion in this thread has meandered all over the place, and I'm not really sure whether any actual enlightenment has taken place.
Are cat-calls annoying?
Yes, probably most of the time.
Are they harassment?
I question that, but in part I guess it depends a bit how a person defines harassment. As well as the exact nature of the cat-call. But I suppose they are, in that to my way of looking at it, a true "cat-call" often is intended to be a bit intimidating to the woman. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think most of the guys who do it, know that it annoys women. But maybe guys really are that stupid. Or maybe women are....
Are they threatening?
For the most part, I would say NO.
Does a simple "Hi there" "Good morning" "Looking good" etc. constitute a cat-call?
It's rather subjective, but for the most part I would say no, it's not the same thing as what I consider a cat-call.
Is it necessary to establish eye-contact or some other form of acknowledgement before a man greets a woman?
NO. It helps, but it is not necessary to my way of thinking. This also would apply to encounters between two women, two men, or a woman extending a greeting to a man.
(and, I think more often than not, eye contact, even if very fleeting, does occur almost anytime two people encounter one another. I know for myself, the natural inclination is to look at a person as I pass them - - it takes effort not to)
Should people try to be considerate of how their interactions may be viewed by the other person, and may not be welcome?
Yes.
The discussion in this thread has meandered all over the place, and I'm not really sure whether any actual enlightenment has taken place.
are the death threats really the issue?
If that's how you want it changed, I'll do it. But I think it "conflates" the issue.
(to use a favorite term around here...)
The death threats come from the same place--a feeling of entitlement to the person's time/attention, and the feeling that you would be deprived without that entitlement.
QuinSnydersHair
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Just say it. You're talkin' 'bout OneBrow, aren't ya?
freakazoid
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That guy should not have treated his waitress/bartender like that. The proper reaction to rudeness from someone taking your money is to short the B on her tip.