NBA Summer League Wild Overreaction Thread

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I really like Harkless, but that is kind of a dumb thing to say during summer league to be honest.

Maybe, and yeah, SL defense is a different beast (but it does resemble how the NBA let the playoffs be played this year), but I have never seen a player consistently draw that many moving screens at any level ever (like not even close). He was drawing at least 3 per game and had like 5+ in a couple.

Honestly I don't think I've ever seen someone defend as hard as Harkless does at any level. Dude gives 110% effort. He's also pretty reactive and alert on help D too. I think he's going to be a huge piece moving forward as a rotation player.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Maybe, and yeah, SL defense is a different beast (but it does resemble how the NBA let the playoffs be played this year), but I have never seen a player consistently draw that many moving screens at any level ever (like not even close). He was drawing at least 3 per game and had like 5+ in a couple.

Honestly I don't think I've ever seen someone defend as hard as Harkless does at any level. Dude gives 110% effort. He's also pretty reactive and alert on help D too. I think he's going to be a huge piece moving forward as a rotation player.

We need him on our team desperately. I'm hoping the FO agrees and gives him a real contract.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

We need him on our team desperately. I'm hoping the FO agrees and gives him a real contract.

I'm guessing he gets promoted on a similar deal to what the Grizzlies gave Spencer and we sign Tonje to a 2-way

 

[SoberasHotRod]

I'm guessing he gets promoted on a similar deal to what the Grizzlies gave Spencer and we sign Tonje to a 2-way

Hopefully, I'm just not sure what they are waiting for. I thought he showed plenty last year to offer a real contract.

Can't any other NBA team give him a real contract and take him away? Or does the two-way give us first to offer rights?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Hopefully, I'm just not sure what they are waiting for. I thought he showed plenty last year to offer a real contract.

Can't any other NBA team give him a real contract and take him away? Or does the two-way give us first to offer rights?

No, he is under contract control. Most 2 way deals last 2 years, so they could just hold him for another year then sign him, but I think they will reward him.

In the same way Flip showed he is in another class offensively compared to SL players Harkless has done the same on defense.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Even if all Harkless does is show the other perimeter players how to play defense and give full effort, he’s worth the roster spot.

 

[Bodhi]

As a dude who was mega high on Noa, I still didnt have him shooting 50/38/100 on 21 points even in a SL game this early. His upside is so wild. Good look.

 

[fishonjazz]

One of the prospects I was most conflicted on

Ya I was/am a big fan but he is tough to evaluate. Very interesting player. That stroke on his 3 balls in the highlight video looked pure.
Physically he reminds of that dude for the pelicans who always looks high that you talked about trading for often. (cant think of his name. He is their long time star)
But being so young he will probably fill out more and could be a monster with his size/measurements. Dude looks so long.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Put this in another thread, but it probably belongs here:

OK, went back 3 years and looked at as many Sophomore performances as I could and compared vs their Sophomore year in the NBA. There are lots of examples of Sophomores playing well in Summer League and not doing very much their Sophomore year in the NBA. I couldn't find very many examples of Sophomores who played poorly in summer league having a good Sophomore season in the NBA, but I would also caution that many of the top players don't play summer league, so there isn't a lot of data there.

I would still probably conclude that Summer League doesn't mean very much, even for Sophomores, but if anything to not get excited about a good summer league from a Sophomore and to be extremely skeptical of a Sophomore who plays poorly.

 

[jom2003]

So is Filip now basically a Kevin Love regen? Especially funny given we technically have the actual Kevin Love on the team.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

One thing that I've always been struck by when looking at summer league stats is that second year players generally play so much better than rookies. I've accounted for that as sign for how much better player development is in the NBA vs other leagues.

 

[framer]

One thing that I've always been struck by when looking at summer league stats is that second year players generally play so much better than rookies. I've accounted for that as sign for how much better player development is in the NBA vs other leagues.

You can start with having your own trainer and nutritionist.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You can start with having your own trainer and nutritionist.

95% of them have had their own trainers since they were 13 years old

 

[framer]

95% of them have had their own trainers since they were 13 years old

Not making what an NBA level trainer is though.

 

[idiot]

@andylarsen called Harkless the Steph Curry of drawing moving screens on his Triple Team newsletter. Said he's the best player he's seen work the refs to get those calls

Lu Dort?

 

[Coach Ellis]

Doesn't turn 19 until around Christmas.


View: https://x.com/Will_Gottlieb/status/1944910933320773760

He looks good there. Essentially though, he reminds me of 19 year old Taylor Hendricks, which would make him somewhat redundant for the Jazz. Nice fit for Chicago though. They’re building a fun, young team out there.

 

[JimLes]

One thing that I've always been struck by when looking at summer league stats is that second year players generally play so much better than rookies. I've accounted for that as sign for how much better player development is in the NBA vs other leagues.

It is also why nowadays it's almost unheard of to have rookies come in and actually be net-positives in the NBA. With the exception of Victor and Luka in the past decade or so, maybe.

The gap is just so big. No rookie can defend in the NBA and a lot of them can't score either. The talent gap between the pros and the NCAA is a freaking canyon.

Kyle Filipowski has spent a year in the pros on a tanking team and would probably look like Nikola Jokić and Rudy Gobert had a baby if you put him back on that Duke team right now.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Edgecombe playing again. Gives me hope we see Ace

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

VJ didn't edge enough and combe his entire load in his first game

 

[infection]

It is also why nowadays it's almost unheard of to have rookies come in and actually be net-positives in the NBA. With the exception of Victor and Luka in the past decade or so, maybe.

I read this a few times hoping I'm not misunderstanding you. Donovan? Herro? Morant? Trae Young? Bane? Just guys off the top of my head. In my bias, it seems like nowadays you can actually use a rookie to be in a rotation, whereas the doctrine of yesteryear was this was a taboo violation of the laws of the universe and disrespectful to the game.