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NBA Summer League Wild Overreaction Thread

I think one of the things that’s helped me mostly check out from the draft over the past few years is the inflated value placed on the perceived physical or “unteachable” components of a player. It becomes the most alluring thing that distracts from certain smaller issues like… can someone actually play basketball. The physical tools combined with all the other fundamentals obviously gives you really high ceiling guys, but a lot of guys come and go while having all the ‘tantalizing’ physical tools but lack the most essential: being able to play basketball. I don’t know how many boners have flown over the years for guys like Saer Sene, Jan Vesely, or Bismack Biyombo. The year we landed 5th and got Exum I definitely didn’t see anything but hoped for the best on “Australian Kobe” hype and didn’t have any other choice. But I’d imagine everyone (GMs, pundits, and fans) would do much, much better in their drafting fantasies if they were running a track and field franchise rather than a basketball one. Guys like Darius Miles get drooled over and coveted until we learn 4-5 years down the road that they don’t really play basketball that well, when it seemed obvious from the get go.

This is the overreaction thread and I’m kind of agnostic on the whole thing. But Tre is a guy who can play basketball. I hope we’ve made the right choice and that the experts see something that my non-expert *** didn’t, but I hope we didn’t pass on him because we’re trying to run a track and field franchise and couldn’t see him as an actual basketball player because he wasn’t giving us physicality boners.
 
The knock on Tre on Jazzfanz was that he didnt get stocks. He isnt a stock broker.

Having said that, he looked like he would be a go to scoring threat that maybe couldnt play defense or help his team out. That may not be far from the reality.
Ace looks like he has 2 way abilities but is a much less finished product.
 
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
The knock on Tre on Jazzfanz was that he didnt get stocks. He isnt a stock broker.

Having said that, he looked like he would be a go to scoring threat that maybe couldnt play defense or help his team out. That may not be far from the reality.
Ace looks like he has 2 way abilities but is a much less finished product.
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not just that, but we kept hearing about how he couldn't get to the rim, didn't draw fouls, couldn't finish at the rim, etc. just one more example of how we overthink things too much. if you're a frosh and you average 20 ppg in the SEC, you can probably play. add positional size and nba athleticism, yeah, you don't need to go much further than that.
 
Late to this thread, but my main takeaway is that the draft is just so fun. This is year 3 of me really following the draft and it’s awesome to see how they grow over time and perform even in a SL setting. I’ll be following the draft going forward regardless of the Jazz draft position.

My view of the draft has developed so much over the past three years as well. It’s fun to learn and develop a better understanding over time. There are some 2/3 year players who I loved at the time but wouldn’t pass my current sniff test.
 
Yang would've been taken way higher if it wasn't for all those busts coming out of China during all these years. Kinda like France. For every Wemby there's about 10 Killian Hayes/Doumbouya/Dieng.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
not just that, but we kept hearing about how he couldn't get to the rim, didn't draw fouls, couldn't finish at the rim, etc. just one more example of how we overthink things too much. if you're a frosh and you average 20 ppg in the SEC, you can probably play. add positional size and nba athleticism, yeah, you don't need to go much further than that.
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I actually think Tre Johnson was rated pretty highly by the folks on this board for the most part and a large majority here would have wanted him if Ace was off the board, probably even over VJ. There were those weird Fears believers, but you would be hard pressed to find one now.
 
jom2003 said:
Yang would've been taken way higher if it wasn't for all those busts coming out of China during all these years. Kinda like France. For every Wemby there's about 10 Killian Hayes/Doumbouya/Dieng.
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Uhhh, what? Yi Jianlian is the only Chinese "bust" I can possibly think of. Outside of him, China hasnt really had a prospect anyone thought highly enough of to be considered a "bust".
 
Yang is just the 3rd Chinese player taken in the first round, so if he succeeds, China will be 2/3 for draft prospects that had any sort of realistic promise.
 
Really wonder how the wing situation is going to play out for the Wizards:

  • Bilal
  • Whitmore
  • Johnson
  • George
  • Riley
  • Kispert
  • Middleton

That's 7 wings who are rotation quality or highly thought of rookie contract wings. Who gets the minutes? How much will they actually play Middleton?

They dont really have many PG's, PF's, or C's on their roster. They are kind of a team made of up wingy guards and wingy forwards
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Really wonder how the wing situation is going to play out for the Wizards:

  • Bilal
  • Whitmore
  • Johnson
  • George
  • Riley
  • Kispert
  • Middleton

That's 7 wings who are rotation quality or highly thought of rookie contract wings. Who gets the minutes? How much will they actually play Middleton?
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you have to think bilal and johnson's minutes are penciled in. they each get a guaranteed 25 mpg. next, it seems like kispert, whitmore and george will have to get rotation minutes. and like you say, where do middleton's minutes come from and can riley command minutes based on his play. i agree that it's a pretty intriguing situation there. bilal can probably spend some time at the 4, maybe whitmore as well, riley has the length, probably not the strength yet - but by and large those guys are straight wings. 2/3 guys with very little 1 or 4 options.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
you have to think bilal and johnson's minutes are penciled in. they each get a guaranteed 25 mpg. next, it seems like kispert, whitmore and george will have to get rotation minutes. and like you say, where do middleton's minutes come from and can riley command minutes based on his play. i agree that it's a pretty intriguing situation there. bilal can probably spend some time at the 4, maybe whitmore as well, riley has the length, probably not the strength yet - but by and large those guys are straight wings. 2/3 guys with very little 1 or 4 options.
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I think they are stuck with Kispert right now. He's a bit overpaid on a long-term deal for a one dimensional shooter who is known as a really bad defender and has seen his %'s fall every year.

Guessing they play Middleton in the range of 25 MPG w/ rest on B2Bs and try to trade him at the deadline to a team trying to offload multi-year salary in exchange for his expiring.

Ultimately they arent trying to win, so playing guys somewhat position-less doesnt really matter I guess.

They could really use another PG though. Wish they would take Collier for Riley.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I think they are stuck with Kispert right now. He's a bit overpaid on a long-term deal for a one dimensional shooter who is known as a really bad defender and has seen his %'s fall every year.

Guessing they play Middleton in the range of 25 MPG w/ rest on B2Bs and try to trade him at the deadline to a team trying to offload multi-year salary in exchange for his expiring.

Ultimately they arent trying to win, so playing guys somewhat position-less doesnt really matter I guess.

They could really use another PG though. Wish they would take Collier for Riley.
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i had no idea Kispert was so good his second season - 50/42/85 splits with 13 ppg. sheesh. sucks that he's fallen so badly since then.
 
framer said:
I actually think Tre Johnson was rated pretty highly by the folks on this board for the most part and a large majority here would have wanted him if Ace was off the board, probably even over VJ. There were those weird Fears believers, but you would be hard pressed to find one now.
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I still believe that Fears will be better than Tre. He is just having a hard time in Summer League and his team situation isn't good. But, I believe the best players can thrive in any situation and I hope Fears can prove to be one of those guys.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Really wonder how the wing situation is going to play out for the Wizards:

  • Bilal
  • Whitmore
  • Johnson
  • George
  • Riley
  • Kispert
  • Middleton

That's 7 wings who are rotation quality or highly thought of rookie contract wings. Who gets the minutes? How much will they actually play Middleton?

They dont really have many PG's, PF's, or C's on their roster. They are kind of a team made of up wingy guards and wingy forwards
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Good post
Im surprised they haven't made a Colin sexton type trade to get rid of Middleton
 
Elizah Huge said:
Here are some of my confirmation bias overreactions and thoughts:

Dylan Harper is really good
Tre Johnson is really good
Joan Beringer is really good
Collin Murray-Boyles sucks
Khaman Maluach sucks
Noa Essengue sucks
Jeremiah Fears sucks
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Pretty much how I saw it but Ace would be on that list as good, VJ not so good
 
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