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Revolution 9 said:
Pearl, Stoked, Scat, PKM, and anyone else. Did you vote for George Bush once, twice, or never.

Man up
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I didn't vote for Bush either time because I fealt being too young to cast an informed vote was unethical. I will vote for Romney because he is the first real candidate since Kennedy.

Why don't you man up and prove you aren't a party shill by telling us all the things you like about Mitt Romney. The stage is yours:

Sirkickyass said:
Actually he's the opposite. Shock jocks are outrageous because they're using that to get people to tune in and sell ad time. Bill Maher is (as far as I can tell) totally unique in that he doesn't sell ads. There is literally no sponsor he's beholden too. He doesn't have to shill for the gold companies. He doesn't have to worry about pissing off the MacArthur foundation.

Maher isn't exactly perfectly aligned with me, but he's got a certain amount of freedom no one else has. This shows up from time to time in important ways. I remember watching his show shortly after the Deepwater Horizon spill when a debate broke out about greater environmental regulation related to offshore drilling vs. the impact that may have on oil jobs. I remember Maher just looking a commentator in the eye and saying "**** those jobs. Those are bad jobs. If the cost of a few thousand people working is repeated disasters on this scale then they should do something else." As far as I can tell, there is no one else on any other network who could get away with that. HBO effectively insulates him from being bullied or muzzled by anyone and that's valuable in and of itself, it also markedly makes him different than anyone else. I regard Maher as what would happen if Colbert didn't work for Viacom and was more interested in marijuana.
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Holy hell where to start. This is one of the better trolls I've read in a month.
 
franklin said:
Why don't you man up and prove you aren't a party shill by telling us all the things you like about Mitt Romney.
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I'll take this challenge:

I like the idea of stapling a green card/citizenship to every legitimate PhD awarded worldwide. That's a good idea.

Deduction caps are a good idea (although not paired with across the board cuts).

I am open to the idea of Reagan Economic Zones, depending on further details.

I am open to the idea of consolidating some areas of federal government, particularly with respect to intelligence and security services.
 
I voted for Bush in '00 and had no candidate in '04 and didn't vote. Also didn't vote in '08.
I've had people give me crap about not voting. I think that's dumb. If there is no one worth voting for, I won't.
 
Romney

"As President Obama surveys the Waldorf banquet room, with everyone in white tie and finery, you have to wonder what he’s thinking. So little time. So much to redistribute."
 
Stoked said:
He might not be beholden to anyone. That does nto change the fact that he words things in a particular way to create shock value. He is a pathetic sham and I am pretty much done listening to an arguement when people start refrencing Maher. They might as well reference limbaugh while they're at it.
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Stoked said:
I like it because I feel they do a fair job of avoiding bias. The provide articles, videos, polls, charts and what not from the far left, the far right and everything in between. That way I can look at all of it and decide for myself. Always good to hear others thoughts and arguments when a good faith effort is made to logically and rationally make them.

I also feel, pure uninformed opinion here, that an average of all the polls would land somewhere closer to the truth of the publics opinion.
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If the regression analysis is well done, it acomplished two things:
1) Takes different sample sizes into account. A poll of 3000 people gets more wieght than a poll of 1000 people.
2) It reduces the size of the error margin.

Taking an average of averages accomplishes neither of those.
 
One Brow said:
If the regression analysis is well done, it acomplished two things:
1) Takes different sample sizes into account. A poll of 3000 people gets more wieght than a poll of 1000 people.
2) It reduces the size of the error margin.

Taking an average of averages accomplishes neither of those.
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I never said it did. I just prefer to look at what all the polls are saying. Just a personal preference.

You are also just focusing on the polls side of it. RCP has some very interesting articles plus links to RCWorld, RCScience, RCReligion...
 
Stoked said:
I never said it did. I just prefer to look at what all the polls are saying. Just a personal preference.

You are also just focusing on the polls side of it. RCP has some very interesting articles plus links to RCWorld, RCScience, RCReligion...
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I have no complaints about RCP as a site. I'm just pointing out why sirkickyass feels a regression analysis gives a better indication of what the polls are saying than an average of averages gives. I certainly don't want to disturb your personal preference.
 
PKM said:
I voted for Bush in '00 and had no candidate in '04 and didn't vote. Also didn't vote in '08.
I've had people give me crap about not voting. I think that's dumb. If there is no one worth voting for, I won't.
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Agreed. I can understand why some see it as apathy, but if there's no real choice you accomplish nothing by pretending to make a choice.

There are no viable options in this election.

I think Trout talked me into showing up and writing in a candidate for pres. pretty much to be counted as someone who didn't support either of our major parties.

I heard a funny Bob Hope joke recently. It's gonna be paraphrased.

You've heard they saying, "One can't fool all of the people all of the time?" Well, that's why we have two political parties.
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