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Burks is better than Hayward sooooo... What's greater than the max?
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Burks is better than Hayward sooooo... What's greater than the max?
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Hopefully Houston or Chicago needs to dump some salary... If not find some cheap guys with upside. Prior to drafting Hood I was hoping we'd bring in Jordan Hamilton and give him some time.
Hedda Gambler
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Why do you insist on living in a world where the players are paid on talent alone, when you know for a fact that this is not how it works?
Stifle Tower
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And the same with Enes. Both will ask for the moon and Lindsey will decline. Then we'll all bitch about the short-sightedness of Dennis in not just giving them whatever they wanted before they get big offers during next season's free agency period.
Jazz should ONLY take on salary dumps at this point. There is no one out there who is a true impact player/building block that should get minutes ahead of any of the current roster players. Let's see if anyone becomes available at the deadline.
Burke (35), Exum (13)
Burks (30), Exum (12), Clark? (6)
Hayward (33), Hood (15)
Kanter (30), Favors (5), Novak (13)
Favors (28), Gobert (20)
Or cross out Clark and give minutes at the SG to Hayward and more time to Hood, etc. Or play Exum 30 mins/per. There are a lot of ways to go.
And I haven't even put in Evans!
As much as I like Marvin as a versatile backup, I think he's just too old to be brought back and take minutes away from the youngsters. Hood can provide the shooting Marvin provided at the 3. And Murphy should get a shot at the stretch-4.
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Alec has a lower Per, lower 3P%, FT% and outside of last year a lower FG%. And Alec was playing against bench players more than Hayward.
Per 48 Hayward has more rebounds, assists and steals and fouls at about half the rate of Alec. Gordon is a better ballhandler, passer and defender (not that either of them are very good on D) and I would guess he is going to look tremendously better under Snyder's system if he is still here.
Alec had a decent year because he can get to the hoop. When you have a disorganized offense, players that have the ability to get to the line tend to do better. This is Alec's best characteristic.
I have to completely disagree that Alec is better than Hayward.
J
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I agree. Where this team is on the growth curve, there is no reason to keep Marvin around. He will give us more talent for a couple years, at the detriment of the future (by taking away valuable minutes that our core need to develop).
I do think there is a very good chance Enes and Alec ask for big contracts. The Jazz need to evaluate what they would likely get as RFAs and try to negotiate under that #.
Most the people I talk to outside the interwebs think we should bring on some more vets to pressure the young guys to earn their minutes. It builds character having better players in front of you like Marvin and Richard to chase down.
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That is a good point, as long as the veterans aren't taking minutes they shouldn't be getting. That seems to be the status quo with the jazz over the past, well, forever. If we can sign a vet that won't cause issues by not getting a ton of burn, and the young players actually get the minutes they earn (rather than just giving veterans minutes because they have played in the league longer).
Stifle Tower
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Yes, I agree. Corbin was trying to build character by playing RJ and MW in front of Burks and Kanter.
Is it too late to trade for Lin so he can play ahead of Burke? And Exum...he's totally not ready for the NBA. Neither is Hood. Does Dennis still have Raja's number? Rookies are going to commit rookie mistakes, make rookie TO's and the refs are not going to give them any calls. So let them develop in practice, because that's where to do it. You don't get better by playing actual games against players with different skill sets, different offensive and defensive strengths and weaknesses. You get better in practice, doing drills and going against the same teammate(s) over and over again.
Look at the mess OKC became by throwing their rookies into the fire right away.
Maybe that kid Kawhi over in SA will be ready for 20 mins/per by his 4th season.
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Zulu
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You should really stop talking to people outside JazzFanz!!!
First, it would be awesome if Kanter and Burks had great years worthy of large contracts. (this is unknown, you are assuming it to be true).
If that happens, the Jazz need to decide whether to make these guys one of the 2-3 highly compensated players they are going to have on the roster, or if they let them walk (not worth market value), or sign and trade.
The Jazz have many good options if these guys improve.
If they don't improve then their contracts will be much lower, and the Jazz have the same set of options, although the value of retaining these players falls.