Offensive Suck Per 48

[seattlejazzfan]

Although, in seriousness, I think Burks is going to be horrible. And the fact that SJF is a backer increases my odds of being correct. No offense, SJF.

No offense taken, jerkface.

 

[LogGrad98]

While your criticism is appreciated, the playing time factor is completely untrue. Everyone on the team gets the exact same amount of per48 time.

Not entirely accurate. 1 rebound in 1 minute of playing time per game (48 Rp48) is hardly equivalent to 48 rebounds in 48 minutes of playing time per game (48 Rp48). Or even 24 in 24 minutes (48 Rp48). Hell I am willing to bet that no one would argue that the 1 reb for 1 minute player is a better option than a guy averaging 12 rpg in 30 minutes per game (19.2 Rp48).

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Sonofabitch...I had high hopes for Burks.

No need to be alarmed. As you know, Burks is a rookie and I tend to like rookies.

 

[bordelais7]

Not entirely accurate. 1 rebound in 1 minute of playing time per game (48 Rp48) is hardly equivalent to 48 rebounds in 48 minutes of playing time per game (48 Rp48). Or even 24 in 24 minutes (48 Rp48). Hell I am willing to bet that no one would argue that the 1 reb for 1 minute player is a better option than a guy averaging 12 rpg in 30 minutes per game (19.2 Rp48).

So are you saying that players who play less minutes somehow do better within those limited minutes because they're playing less? Or are you simply saying that the sample size is currently limited?

If it's the latter, I agree -- although they would have just as much opportunity to have over-inflated suck as they would under-inflated suck (for example, Tinsley leads the team in AST/48 by quite a wide margin). So the premise that playing limited minutes gives an advantage in the suck rankings is false.

 

[YB85]

No need to be alarmed. As you know, Burks is a rookie and I tend to like rookies.

Just remember this: Howard Eisley and Derek Fisher were rookies once.

 

[SojoDave]

9 out of 10 people who are constipated don't give a crap!

 

[LogGrad98]

So are you saying that players who play less minutes somehow do better within those limited minutes because they're playing less? Or are you simply saying that the sample size is currently limited?

If it's the latter, I agree -- although they would have just as much opportunity to have over-inflated suck as they would under-inflated suck (for example, Tinsley leads the team in AST/48 by quite a wide margin). So the premise that playing limited minutes gives an advantage in the suck rankings is false.

Both. If you are a player who likely will be fairly solid in the NBA, but your PT is limited due to playing behind vets or simply being a rookie (Burks, for example) then it will tend to give you a better shot to shine in terms of numbers when the bulk of your minutes come against the other teams' scrubs in blow-outs. But generally players who play less minutes have anything they do exaggerated beyond meaning in a per48 stat, and sheer luck can result in crazy numbers. Also, playing limited minutes will tend to push performance to one end of the spectrum or the other, further inflating or deflating the per48 stat. That is why the NBA on their stats pages have the required minutes played and other limiters to see who really is performing and who is showing inflated numbers due to limited minutes.

That is why it is inaccurate to say that every player gets the same amount of per48 time, since every minute actually played is not of equal value to every other minute.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Just remember this: Howard Eisley and Derek Fisher were rookies once.

And Roger Bell and the MLA master himself. Thankfully, there are exceptions.

 

[bordelais7]

players who play less minutes have anything they do exaggerated beyond meaning in a per48 stat, and sheer luck can result in crazy numbers.

This is just a re-hash of the sample size point. We agree on this, I think.

Also, playing limited minutes will tend to push performance to one end of the spectrum or the other, further inflating or deflating the per48 stat.

Interesting theory. What evidence is there for this?

That is why the NBA on their stats pages have the required minutes played and other limiters to see who really is performing and who is showing inflated numbers due to limited minutes.

Another re-hash of limited sample size.

 

[bordelais7]

If you are a player who likely will be fairly solid in the NBA, but your PT is limited due to playing behind vets or simply being a rookie (Burks, for example) then it will tend to give you a better shot to shine in terms of numbers when the bulk of your minutes come against the other teams' scrubs in blow-outs

Saw that you added this. Fair point. Not sure how relevant that is to the Jazz so far this season, given that there has been approx. 96 minutes of "garbage time".

 

[colton]

To be fair, the Jazz have run into a couple of teams who have historically been great free throw defenders.

+rep for this line

 

[BYE]

Interesting information! All these years, I thought Lebron and Dwight were good, but their suck/48 is way to high.

Lebron:
10
2.2
3.5

15.7

Dwight:
6.8
6
3.4

16.2

They need to get these numbers down to those of Jeremy Evans (0.00) and Jamaal Tinsley (8.00). Now those are players you can build a team around!